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San Francisco All-Female Hacker House Aims to Support Women Builders

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Re: San Francisco All-Female Hacker House Aims to Support Women Builders

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Are non-inclusive safe spaces legal? It seems that in residences that it would be sanctionable to deny housing based on assigned sex or gender identity, and in education it would be sanctionable to have admissions based on that as well. I was curious about this with Hackbright too, but I wasn't interested in this cause enough to see what legal counsel thought of it (it was the closest coding academy to me at one poin…

https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp/f...

“ The Fair Housing Act covers most housing. In very limited circumstances, the Act exempts owner-occupied buildings with no more than four units, single-family houses sold or rented by the owner without the use of an agent, and housing operated by religious organizations and private clubs that limit occupancy to members.”

So, they may be able to get by legally under the private club/member exemption.

Re: San Francisco All-Female Hacker House Aims to Support Women Builders

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well it's not provocative, it's just stupid. The whole "oh safe spaces? See you're the real racist!" thing you can find in the youtube comment section of Ben Shapiro videos. You're not making some genius point here, you're just not familiar with the kind of experiences women face in these environments or lack the social intelligence to imagine it, like 95% of the HN audience.

your words and I’m not familiar with those influencers Is the way they are addressing it compatible with existing laws? Do you see how easy that is for me to have zero emotion on this, your turn. Think of it as a standardized test question, you have to answer those based on accuracy.

>Is the way they are addressing it compatible with existing laws?

Obviously. Private, gender separated clubs exist everywhere in the United States. Ever been to a sports club or a fraternity? Civil rights legislation addresses employment and 'spaces of public accommodation'. You're obviously JAQing off because you know this

Re: San Francisco All-Female Hacker House Aims to Support Women Builders

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Yes, non-inclusive spaces are legal. There are still golf clubs in the US that don't allow women. Just last week the top golf club in the US voted to allow women for the first time in its 108 year history. If these male-only spaces are legal I don't see how these female-only spaces would be illegal. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/31...

Just because something hasn't been challenged doesn't mean it is legal and the ongoing existence of a counterpoint is not a strong argument regarding legal review. And the more obvious difference to me is that your example is not providing housing and is not providing education. There are really two questions here, the first being is it legal, and the second being is this what we want whether it is currently legal or…

Ok, some other examples include:

-Seminaries and monasteries that only house and educate men.

-Women's colleges that only house and educate women.

-Homeless and domestic violence shelters that only house men or women.

-All-boys and all-girls schools that only educate boys or girls.

I don't have a strong opinion on whether this is "good" or "bad". I'm just pointing out that there are many examples though out the United States. So your statement that "the bay area is rebranding separate but equal" just doesn't make any sense when this is common in various forms throughout the entire United States.

Re: San Francisco All-Female Hacker House Aims to Support Women Builders

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Are non-inclusive safe spaces legal? It seems that in residences that it would be sanctionable to deny housing based on assigned sex or gender identity, and in education it would be sanctionable to have admissions based on that as well. I was curious about this with Hackbright too, but I wasn't interested in this cause enough to see what legal counsel thought of it (it was the closest coding academy to me at one poin…

https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp/f... “ The Fair Housing Act covers most housing. In very limited circumstances, the Act exempts owner-occupied buildings with no more than four units, single-family houses sold or rented by the owner without the use of an agent, and housing operated by religious organizations and private clubs that limit occupancy to members.” So, they may be able to get by l…

Thanks! The California version can be stricter too with fair housing and employment being under one agency

Education under another though

Re: San Francisco All-Female Hacker House Aims to Support Women Builders

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Are non-inclusive safe spaces legal? It seems that in residences that it would be sanctionable to deny housing based on assigned sex or gender identity, and in education it would be sanctionable to have admissions based on that as well. I was curious about this with Hackbright too, but I wasn't interested in this cause enough to see what legal counsel thought of it (it was the closest coding academy to me at one poin…

I'm still waiting to see a lawsuit forcing strip clubs to hire equal proportions of male and female dancers

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post #25

Are non-inclusive safe spaces legal? It seems that in residences that it would be sanctionable to deny housing based on assigned sex or gender identity, and in education it would be sanctionable to have admissions based on that as well. I was curious about this with Hackbright too, but I wasn't interested in this cause enough to see what legal counsel thought of it (it was the closest coding academy to me at one poin…

I'm still waiting to see a lawsuit forcing strip clubs to hire equal proportions of male and female dancers

In California they only recently got reclassified as employees and the club as employer, so you were waiting for that first and now you might be able to get the challenge you desired.

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Are non-inclusive safe spaces legal? It seems that in residences that it would be sanctionable to deny housing based on assigned sex or gender identity, and in education it would be sanctionable to have admissions based on that as well. I was curious about this with Hackbright too, but I wasn't interested in this cause enough to see what legal counsel thought of it (it was the closest coding academy to me at one poin…

I'm still waiting to see a lawsuit forcing strip clubs to hire equal proportions of male and female dancers

I know there are first amendment exceptions that would, for example, not require a movie to consider male actors for the role of Juliet or woman actors for the role of Romeo.

Re: San Francisco All-Female Hacker House Aims to Support Women Builders

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Are non-inclusive safe spaces legal? It seems that in residences that it would be sanctionable to deny housing based on assigned sex or gender identity, and in education it would be sanctionable to have admissions based on that as well. I was curious about this with Hackbright too, but I wasn't interested in this cause enough to see what legal counsel thought of it (it was the closest coding academy to me at one poin…

Not in California, no. This house would not be allowed to exclude men.

Re: San Francisco All-Female Hacker House Aims to Support Women Builders

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Are non-inclusive safe spaces legal? It seems that in residences that it would be sanctionable to deny housing based on assigned sex or gender identity, and in education it would be sanctionable to have admissions based on that as well. I was curious about this with Hackbright too, but I wasn't interested in this cause enough to see what legal counsel thought of it (it was the closest coding academy to me at one poin…

Yes, non-inclusive spaces are legal. There are still golf clubs in the US that don't allow women. Just last week the top golf club in the US voted to allow women for the first time in its 108 year history. If these male-only spaces are legal I don't see how these female-only spaces would be illegal. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/31...

That golf club is not in California.
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