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Interesting to find this on the front page. I lived on a kibbutz for nearly three years, and left a few years ago. Like most insular communities, there's a lot to like when looking at it from the outside. People live in comfortable homes and have plenty to eat, with plenty of modern accoutrements like Internet access and the like. The community is quiet, with houses linked by footpaths instead of roads. The sense of…
I have no idea why this is posted on HN. There was an another story here a few days ago about some economics professor turned hardcore free-market objectivist, becase he lived in a kibbutz in his youth. Look, it isn't for everyone, but why not let people live how they want. Some prefer giving up some personal liberty for the collective communal experience.
i always find it surprising how in every conversation i had with friend from the far left, they always forget to mention that there was actually one successful attempt at living in the "communism" mindset, without turning into a totalitarian regime. The thing is the hate israel gets today (especially from the left) prevents them from ever using this argument.
The most consistent quality they shared was a tendency to be violently attacked.
i always find it surprising how in every conversation i had with friend from the far left, they always forget to mention that there was actually one successful attempt at living in the "communism" mindset, without turning into a totalitarian regime. The thing is the hate israel gets today (especially from the left) prevents them from ever using this argument.
There are at least a few others - e.g. the paris commune and anarchist spain, not to mention the early days of the Soviet Union. The most consistent quality they shared was a tendency to be violently attacked.
"early days of the Soviet Union."
"Paris commune"
Interesting to find this on the front page. I lived on a kibbutz for nearly three years, and left a few years ago. Like most insular communities, there's a lot to like when looking at it from the outside. People live in comfortable homes and have plenty to eat, with plenty of modern accoutrements like Internet access and the like. The community is quiet, with houses linked by footpaths instead of roads. The sense of…
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//People who turned their external salaries over to the kibbutz were often exploited, earning salaries that were a fraction of market rate, because they wouldn't see any of the extra. Sure, that doesn't seem fair, but how do you price a free house, and an option for one for your children, in a country where most people live in apartments and only something like the top 10% live in houses? And how do you price the job…
You misunderstand, I guess because I kept my post brief. This person was a software engineer working for a non-kibbutz company, so the non-kibbutz company was paying that person's salary to a kibbutz bank account rather than to the person. The salary was about $30,000/year for an end-of-career senior developer, who was easily worth triple that or more. From her perspective, she didn't see a point in trying to move jo…
I'm not sure that software engineer lost. If she only cost her employer a third of a salary, that quite a big bargain chip. She could have used it to get more flexibility, better job security, maybe a more interesting role, etc.
But of course it still depends how people treated her and how she felt her status was. But that could go either way.
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There are at least a few others - e.g. the paris commune and anarchist spain, not to mention the early days of the Soviet Union. The most consistent quality they shared was a tendency to be violently attacked.
"early days of the Soviet Union." The early days of the Nazi regime weren't that bad, either. "Paris commune" The Paris commune only lasted for a few months. If history is any guide, it would've turned into an authoritarian hellhole eventually.
https://www.learnliberty.org/videos/economic-freedom-does-ch...
In all likelihood had it not been brutally suppressed it probably would have ended up being somewhat like norway.
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"early days of the Soviet Union." The early days of the Nazi regime weren't that bad, either. "Paris commune" The Paris commune only lasted for a few months. If history is any guide, it would've turned into an authoritarian hellhole eventually.
They did have some kooky policies like the abolition of child labor. Some people today are still against this even today on the basis that it's pro freedom and really it's better for the children in the long run: https://www.learnliberty.org/videos/economic-freedom-does-ch... In all likelihood had it not been brutally suppressed it probably would have ended up being somewhat like norway.
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They did have some kooky policies like the abolition of child labor. Some people today are still against this even today on the basis that it's pro freedom and really it's better for the children in the long run: https://www.learnliberty.org/videos/economic-freedom-does-ch... In all likelihood had it not been brutally suppressed it probably would have ended up being somewhat like norway.
I'm more than happy to adopt the small handful of things that they got right, while rejecting all the other stuff that inevitably leads to misery, poverty, and mass death.
Or the feminist stuff maybe?