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In the Name of Equity, California Will Discourage Students Gifted at Math

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Broadly speaking, this entails making math as easy and un-math-like as possible. Math is really about language and culture and social justice, and no one is naturally better at it than anyone else, according to the framework. Framework also seems to be expanding what "math" means.

i was about to post the same quote, since when is math concerned with social justice? Also, in my experience some people are born with mathematical ability far beyond others, it is very easy to distinguish

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Gifted students will always have AOPS, which my daughter has been doing since 5th grade. Legislating math deceleration is an attempt to fix the symptom (math inequity) but not the cause (likely cultural attitudes and societal expectations).

Legislators should watch the movie "Stand and Deliver".

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post #7

Broadly speaking, this entails making math as easy and un-math-like as possible. Math is really about language and culture and social justice, and no one is naturally better at it than anyone else, according to the framework. Framework also seems to be expanding what "math" means.

i was about to post the same quote, since when is math concerned with social justice? Also, in my experience some people are born with mathematical ability far beyond others, it is very easy to distinguish

I was going to post this:

[ X ] is really about language and culture and social justice, and no one is naturally better at it than anyone else...

Where X = singing,football,hockey,physics,running,weight-lifting,chemistry,painting,sculpting,composing,writing,design ( oh and programming ) :)

Just to show how ridiculous the statement is.

It would seem to be written by someone from the Dunning/Krueger case files.

Re: In the Name of Equity, California Will Discourage Students Gifted at Math

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post #7

Broadly speaking, this entails making math as easy and un-math-like as possible. Math is really about language and culture and social justice, and no one is naturally better at it than anyone else, according to the framework. Framework also seems to be expanding what "math" means.

That sounds great to me. The existing definition of "math" sucks.

Practically all of the math that I use on a daily basis I got before 6th grade. Everything after that was tracked towards a calculus that I don't use even as a software developer. At best it was a kind of sideways lesson in how to reason, such as geometric proofs. But I could have been taught the same lessons more pragmatically in the context of, say, interpreting statistics or basic accounting. (Debugging a general ledger error is a great exercise in reasoning, using nothing more than addition and subtraction.)

Math is about language and culture. The most important math lessons should be "How do you formulate this real-world question as a math problem?" The quality of word problems that I got in school were godawful. And to judge from the homework I saw copypasted into Quora, they haven't gotten better. (I hated watching students copypaste their homework but I hated the questions even more. They were practically begging students to think of math as a pointless exercise.)

As for social justice -- well, I'd like to think that social justice is something we can all agree to be in favor of. And math is a tool for helping figure out what social justice is. That doesn't mean we'll all agree on it, but most Internet discussions of it that I've seen appear to be less about legitimate disagreements and more about how to lie with math. I'd love to see students taught how cherry-picking works and how to build good models. We won't still agree, but at least we'll know what the legitimate differences are -- and then commence the hard but genuine problem of finding accommodations for each other.

Re: In the Name of Equity, California Will Discourage Students Gifted at Math

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Sacramento is awesome at generating reasons to home school your children. It's been a bit of a challenge, but absolutely the best thing my wife and I have done for our daughter. And by that I mean mostly what my wife has done.

Don’t the kids miss being with other children, how did you handle that? Also, did you look into the various online schools or did you just manage the entire curriculum yourself? If so, how do you manage/track that?

Home schooling is not lockdown schooling. My daughter in fact has even more friends than when she was in public school. We outsource part of her education to private instructional centers, we participate in a homeschool co-op where parents teach each others kids in areas in which they are competent, homeschooler activity groups for park day/beach day, game night, dances and Girl Scouts. There is various overlap of kids across that spectrum. IMO the “socialization” narrative about home schooling is utterly false and what I would characterize as “Homeschool Hatred”.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t the kids miss being with other children, how did you handle that? Also, did you look into the various online schools or did you just manage the entire curriculum yourself? If so, how do you manage/track that?

Home schooling is not lockdown schooling. My daughter in fact has even more friends than when she was in public school. We outsource part of her education to private instructional centers, we participate in a homeschool co-op where parents teach each others kids in areas in which they are competent, homeschooler activity groups for park day/beach day, game night, dances and Girl Scouts. There is various overlap of ki…

Thanks for the reply. To clarify I’m not a homeschool hater, rather I have started thinking about it for kid and am in the early research phase. Part of the research is evaluating between the online schools and homeschooling.

Normally I may not have thought about it, but post pandemic I’m thinking why not.

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Home schooling is not lockdown schooling. My daughter in fact has even more friends than when she was in public school. We outsource part of her education to private instructional centers, we participate in a homeschool co-op where parents teach each others kids in areas in which they are competent, homeschooler activity groups for park day/beach day, game night, dances and Girl Scouts. There is various overlap of ki…

Thanks for the reply. To clarify I’m not a homeschool hater, rather I have started thinking about it for kid and am in the early research phase. Part of the research is evaluating between the online schools and homeschooling. Normally I may not have thought about it, but post pandemic I’m thinking why not.

My apology, I did not intend to label you that way; I had a feeling it may be received that way but I felt I was clear that the narrative was the subject of that sentence.

My suggestion, search for homeschool activity groups in your locality. Contact someone in one of the groups and have a conversation. Good luck.

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the reply. To clarify I’m not a homeschool hater, rather I have started thinking about it for kid and am in the early research phase. Part of the research is evaluating between the online schools and homeschooling. Normally I may not have thought about it, but post pandemic I’m thinking why not.

My apology, I did not intend to label you that way; I had a feeling it may be received that way but I felt I was clear that the narrative was the subject of that sentence. My suggestion, search for homeschool activity groups in your locality. Contact someone in one of the groups and have a conversation. Good luck.

No worries, I had not taken your comment to be directed at me - still just wanted to clarify.

It's all good and thanks for the info, appreciate it!!

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