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Buying a Bitcoin emits 195x as much CO₂ as buying an iPhone

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Re: Buying a Bitcoin emits 195x as much CO₂ as buying an iPhone

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post #6

"the decision to buy one Bitcoin versus about 29 iPhone 12 Pros emits 195 times as much CO₂" The headline made it sound like 195x a single iPhone...

The Bitcoin CO₂ is some made up measure anyway, mining interest for a year isn't really attributable to the market cap of Bitcoin (they feed back on each other and so on, but there's no direct relationship).

Re: Buying a Bitcoin emits 195x as much CO₂ as buying an iPhone

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post #11

I feel like it's really easy to pin bitcoin on its energy usage just because it's so easily measurable. Is there any research that compares a traditional banking platform in terms of W/tx in comparison to bitcoin?

Not bank transfers, but https://digiconomist.net/bitcoin-energy-consumption says

> 778,988 - The number of VISA transactions that could be powered by the energy consumed for a single Bitcoin transaction on average (1157.81 kWh).

Obviously bank transactions would also come out way ahead, those are essentially a DB update built on trust and for speed, whereas proof-of-work is severely inefficient by design.

Re: Buying a Bitcoin emits 195x as much CO₂ as buying an iPhone

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"...with regards to NFTs we will see PoW take precedence since it reduces fraud."

This is a massive assumption, and likely wrong. From Ethereum to Cardano and beyond, NFT's are almost exclusively being created on smart contract platforms that either already utilize PoS or are transitioning to it quickly. So the idea that PoW will take precedent in the NFT space.. how?

Regarding fraud, is that to suggest PoS is not secure? Also a massive assumption and likely wrong.

Re: Buying a Bitcoin emits 195x as much CO₂ as buying an iPhone

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The higher the price BTC go, the more miners will mine to get it near break even. Imagine 600k price where some pumpers are targeting, you are looking at potentially 10x the energy used to mine blocks. Is that a correct characterization of the problem at hand?

Re: Buying a Bitcoin emits 195x as much CO₂ as buying an iPhone

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This articles makes absolutely no sense. It uses market capitalisation of Apple and bitcoin to compare the CO2 emissions of an iPhone and a bitcoin transaction which is clearly nonsense. You could calculate the rough CO2 emissions of a 1 BTC transaction by dividing annual estimated CO2 emissions by bitcoin miners (35 million tonnes) by the number of annual transactions (100 million) which equates to about 350kg of CO2.

An iPhone on the other hand produces around 100kg of CO2 to manufacture according to https://www.compareandrecycle.co.uk/blog/iphone-lifecycle-wh...

So in summary it's actually only 3 to 4 times.

Re: Buying a Bitcoin emits 195x as much CO₂ as buying an iPhone

#29
I’m trying to understand this. The value of the “emission” would fluctuate with the value of the coin? But the wording is weird. How is “buying a Bitcoin” generating 195x co2 compared to x? The mining of Bitcoin has already happened. That emission is over for that Bitcoin after it has been mined. And tying either Bitcoin emission values to capital values. Or iphone emission values to Apples capital value also doesn’t seem very intuitive. What’s the point?

Re: Buying a Bitcoin emits 195x as much CO₂ as buying an iPhone

#30

How can this be calculated? I mean, it's possible to use solar energy for running mining equipment.

Using solar energy "pollutes" also the environment.

1. Less energy is available for other demands. They have to be filled up with other energy sources. (Assuming, that they do not use their own panels for mining.)

2. Producing solar panels produces CO2

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