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Re: History of Techno

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Post by DyslexicAtheist » Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 7:14 AM UTC

ahurmazda wrote: post #19

the-dude wrote: post #10

Classic history tree of electronic music : http://music.ishkur.com/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26212706

Its easy to miss but descriptions of the different genres are the true mvp. Some of the saltiest things I have read, true hilarity. E.g `Eurotrance`: > "The rank repugnance of the self-fellating culture of DJ worship is at the forefront of this many-headed hydra of rapacious rot. Overbearing anthems, boring breakdowns, and tasteless DJ vanity have combined into one monstrous, obnoxious, pompous, unlistenable Babyloni…

most brilliant thing I've seen this week. I want to see feedback like this as the top comments of every "Show HN" :D

Re: History of Techno

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Post by _the_inflator » Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 7:16 AM UTC

kristopolous wrote: post #13

This is about as conventional a narrative as you can get. I've never been happy with it though, it's way too much of a tidy, linear, clean through-line. For instance, this narrative always leave out free-style and electro like Hashim (example: 1983, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykK0uEjSsqY ), Newcleus, etc. Soulsonic Force (1982: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHQ11l4uiM4 ) predated Atkins Cybotron project and At…

They try to be as concise as possible.

For example, they completely missed out Front 242, Nitzer Ebb. However they at least mention the genre, EBM.

And to be honest: what is techno else than Tallas invention in a record store? Frontpage magazine? So many things left out, but who cares? You either witnessed parts of the 90th or not. ;)

I never understood my parents fondness for Woodstock and how an e guitar could be the center of a "sound revolution". Around 30 years later, I really understand them: Dorian Gray, Loveparade, 303. ;)

Re: History of Techno

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Post by tern » Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 7:17 AM UTC

andruby wrote: post #15

the-dude wrote: post #10

Classic history tree of electronic music : http://music.ishkur.com/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26212706

Do you happen to know if the old version of "Ishkur's guide to electronic music" is still available somewhere? IIRC it was a flash site with mostly music bubbles. It opened me up to fringe music genre's like Italo, Acid Jazz and Ghetto Tech.

I believe it's here, but of course you need Flash http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/

Another favorite is Ishkur's "trancecracker" comic, which you can find here: https://modwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=245900

Re: History of Techno

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Post by kristopolous » Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 7:23 AM UTC

cpach wrote: post #18

kristopolous wrote: post #13

This is about as conventional a narrative as you can get. I've never been happy with it though, it's way too much of a tidy, linear, clean through-line. For instance, this narrative always leave out free-style and electro like Hashim (example: 1983, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykK0uEjSsqY ), Newcleus, etc. Soulsonic Force (1982: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHQ11l4uiM4 ) predated Atkins Cybotron project and At…

Just out of curiosity: What do you mean by New Wave in this context? When I hear new wave I think of acts such as Adam and the Ants and Duran Duran. But are they related to techno?

Yeah, absolutely. You're just a few steps away with a lot of Duran Duran (Rio era) and records like Night Move's Transdance arguably gets there.

I mean heck, take Polices Synchronicity part 1, https://youtu.be/Si5CSpUCDGY. If someone told me that was how an album by underworld or say sasha started from 1999, I'd believe it, swap the vocals and the physical drums with some synths and it's basically done

Re: History of Techno

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Post by mellavora » Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 7:26 AM UTC

Wonder how this stacks up to Toops's Oceans of Sound?

this is the book cover: https://monoskop.org/images/9/9f/Toop_David_Ocean_of_Sound_A...

Re: History of Techno

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Post by rorykoehler » Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 7:28 AM UTC

kristopolous wrote: post #13

This is about as conventional a narrative as you can get. I've never been happy with it though, it's way too much of a tidy, linear, clean through-line. For instance, this narrative always leave out free-style and electro like Hashim (example: 1983, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykK0uEjSsqY ), Newcleus, etc. Soulsonic Force (1982: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHQ11l4uiM4 ) predated Atkins Cybotron project and At…

>Take the intro to 1983's Hypnotic Tango by My Mine for instance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6EbVwOumlE

It's like a better version of Sven Vath's Electric Salsa.

BTW the link for Manuel Göttsching E2-E4 is the wrong one (duplicate of Hyponotic Tango). Here is the right link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys0HyevZpQg

Re: History of Techno

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Post by james-bcn » Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 7:34 AM UTC

I'm surprised there's no mention of New Order's Blue Monday in there. I thought it was seen as a key moment in the history of techno? Can anyone with more knowledge than me comment on why it isn't there?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYH8DsU2WCk

Re: History of Techno

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Post by tern » Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 7:35 AM UTC

kristopolous wrote: post #13

This is about as conventional a narrative as you can get. I've never been happy with it though, it's way too much of a tidy, linear, clean through-line. For instance, this narrative always leave out free-style and electro like Hashim (example: 1983, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykK0uEjSsqY ), Newcleus, etc. Soulsonic Force (1982: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHQ11l4uiM4 ) predated Atkins Cybotron project and At…

Histories of techno always leave out some of my favorites from the early 2000s Adam Beyer / Drumcode era of fast maximalist techno—Zenit records for instance

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPN0gicPJTTUJVhVMzCne... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOfuXwU6GoQ

And I was surprised they mentioned Surgeon and Regis, but not their Downwards Records

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBilbhSIIhgKbRezA7RoO...

Re: History of Techno

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Post by TonyTrapp » Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 7:36 AM UTC

_the_inflator wrote: post #22

kristopolous wrote: post #13

This is about as conventional a narrative as you can get. I've never been happy with it though, it's way too much of a tidy, linear, clean through-line. For instance, this narrative always leave out free-style and electro like Hashim (example: 1983, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykK0uEjSsqY ), Newcleus, etc. Soulsonic Force (1982: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHQ11l4uiM4 ) predated Atkins Cybotron project and At…

They try to be as concise as possible. For example, they completely missed out Front 242, Nitzer Ebb. However they at least mention the genre, EBM. And to be honest: what is techno else than Tallas invention in a record store? Frontpage magazine? So many things left out, but who cares? You either witnessed parts of the 90th or not. ;) I never understood my parents fondness for Woodstock and how an e guitar could be t…

> They try to be as concise as possible.

Calling it the "definitive history of techno" and then trying to be as concise as possible seems a bit presumptuous to me, though...

Re: History of Techno

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Post by tbronchain » Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 7:37 AM UTC

Techno finds its roots in tribal music. Its repetitive patterns allow deep self-reflection and strong connection to inner feelings.

disclaimer: I love techno