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Types of Legal Argument

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This article is the type of tripe they teach us in law school that has no real world application. I get the point the author is trying to make: that you can distill argument down to its essence, and that you should. What the argument fails to take into account (to name two) is: 1. We have “splits of authority.” One court says the law is Y and one court says the law is X. Now it’s roses are red in this jurisdiction an…

What do you suggest the students learn in addition to or instead of this?

> What do you suggest the students learn in addition to or instead of this?

Two things:

1. Many people don't start from a premise of: "Let's find out what The Law requires of us and we'll proceed accordingly, out of a sense of duty, loyalty, and obedience."

Instead, to a first approximation, their starting point is: "I don't give a [hoot] about The Law except pragmatically — I want to do X, so I want to know: (i) under The Law, what pain could others inflict on me if I were in fact to do X, and (ii) by what means could I prevent, or at least mitigate, such an outcome?"

2. Weather forecasting is the best analogy I've come up with to describe legal analysis: You have to make a best guess about how various "energy sources" — litigants; legislatures; courts; armed camps — will interact at a given place and time.

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A few years back, I had a co-worker that was hostile to me. I won't go into the details why there's that hostility, but what happened was this: - In the middle of a (chat) conversation that was going nowhere about a certain issue, he told me that I'm "difficult to talk to." - I replied, "I can say the same thing to you." This co-worker then complained to management, that I was being a bully and disrespectful. I provi…

Many legal systems allow limited retribution, if it can be seen as proportional to self-defense. That said, there's an overarching idea that one shouldn't try to "get even" by lowering oneself to the other person's level. Proportionality as a legal concept makes it legal to defend yourself, but illegal to escalate the threat. E.g. one can use fists against fists, but if B stabs A to death, it will be hard to claim it…

I cannot imagine the police taking an interest in a case like that, let alone a DA prosecuting it, absent other factors making it politically important.
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