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Cryptocurrency Is an Abject Disaster

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Re: Cryptocurrency Is an Abject Disaster

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It's in it's infancy. In two decades we will know what it means to us as mankind. Cars were also dangerous, unregulated, expensive and excessively polluting. It got a lot better on all these points, and not all due to the cars: some of it was a mind shift that mankind had to make. Same will hold true for cryptocurrency.

But cars had value. They have value. They had value from day 1. Cryptocurrencies just don't. It's all smoke and mirrors, where everything would be better without the blockchain. Without irreversibility. Without everything about it. There are whole books about how terrible and useless it is. And please do what the article said: How much of your own money is dependent on you selling the lie of cryptocurrency or smart c…

> But cars had value. They have value. They had value from day 1.

This is so true: cars have massive externalities but the 20th century was spend rebuilding the world around them because they were useful. You saw that immediately and the true costs only became more apparent years later.

Cryptocurrency is as if Robert Moses had redesigned NYC around pet rock warehousing on the theory that someone would later find a use for them, and the warehouses needed to burn coal continuously.

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It's in it's infancy. In two decades we will know what it means to us as mankind. Cars were also dangerous, unregulated, expensive and excessively polluting. It got a lot better on all these points, and not all due to the cars: some of it was a mind shift that mankind had to make. Same will hold true for cryptocurrency.

What are you talking about? Cars are an absolute disaster for humanity... one of the biggest mistakes humans ever made. Maybe try another analogy

So we should all have stayed on our family farms and lived a life of manual labor?

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I generally agree. I do have a question, though. Would it be this bad without the marketplaces? I had a sliver of hope for a small period of time that bitcoin would truly replace fiat currencies. And that ethereum could replace law. Both have failed to achieve their goal. Is it society’s fault or has the tech always been pointless? Are there meatspace things society could do like e.g. ban using dirty energy for mining, ban proof of work, some [thing] about regulating exchanges, etc.?

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This is really a complaint against Proof of Work based consensus protocols.

"Cryptocurrency" is also kind of a dumb term. Everyone seems to still think this is about creating new currencies. Really we are talking about tokens that represent some component of a system. Yes that is general because the base for experimentation with tokens is absurdly vast. God we need to move beyond thinking about Bitcoin! Really this article is saying "Fuck Bitcoin" and well, I'd agree with that at this point.

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> Cryptocurrency is one of the worst inventions of the 21st century. I am ashamed to share an industry with this exploitative grift. It has failed to be a useful currency, invented a new class of internet abuse, further enriched the rich, wasted staggering amounts of electricity, hastened climate change, ruined hundreds of otherwise promising projects, provided a climate for hundreds of scams to flourish, created sho…

Now do the Federal Reserve. 1955 Tappan Zee bridge: $55 million. 2013 Tappan Zee bridge: $4 billion for basically the same bridge. Due in part to the destruction of the USD caused by the Fed.

“Basically the same bridge” is such a hilarious oversimplification that it makes your blame of the Federal Reserve even more amusing. No, absolutely no improvements in engineering, materials, process, or design in sixty years. No added overhead for environmental studies and other regulations. It’s all the Fed.

Hacker News discussing economics is like arguing geopolitics with someone on peyote.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you talking about? Cars are an absolute disaster for humanity... one of the biggest mistakes humans ever made. Maybe try another analogy

So we should all have stayed on our family farms and lived a life of manual labor?

Wow.

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Cryptocurrency is not an abject disaster. Drew is right that proof of work mining is expensive and has serious negative externalities. Drew is also right that cryptocurrency, via its growth, hype, and decentralized and self-sovereign nature, is often an ideal vehicle for certain kinds of criminal activity, including pump-and-dump fraud or ransomware. Drew is right (perhaps indirectly) that many or most well-meaning c…

I can't imagine why you're being downvoted, for a well-balanced, educative post with full disclosure.

No wait, I can - and it sucks.

Re: Cryptocurrency Is an Abject Disaster

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post #7

> Cryptocurrency is one of the worst inventions of the 21st century. I am ashamed to share an industry with this exploitative grift. It has failed to be a useful currency, invented a new class of internet abuse, further enriched the rich, wasted staggering amounts of electricity, hastened climate change, ruined hundreds of otherwise promising projects, provided a climate for hundreds of scams to flourish, created sho…

Now do the Federal Reserve. 1955 Tappan Zee bridge: $55 million. 2013 Tappan Zee bridge: $4 billion for basically the same bridge. Due in part to the destruction of the USD caused by the Fed.

How is that indicative of destruction? If someone really believes that inflation is destruction they can hold one of the many assets that are protected against inflation, such as stocks, inflation-adjusted bonds, real estate or gold. Why is cryptocurrency supposedly the only solution here?

Re: Cryptocurrency Is an Abject Disaster

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> Cryptocurrency is one of the worst inventions of the 21st century. I am ashamed to share an industry with this exploitative grift. It has failed to be a useful currency, invented a new class of internet abuse, further enriched the rich, wasted staggering amounts of electricity, hastened climate change, ruined hundreds of otherwise promising projects, provided a climate for hundreds of scams to flourish, created sho…

I wish the author would tell us how he really feels :-)
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