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OpenAstroTracker: 3D printed, open source star tracker

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Re: OpenAstroTracker: 3D printed, open source star tracker

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Not nearly to the level of this project, but if you want to dabble with taking long exposures of the sky: Consider the simple "barn door tracker"[0][1][2] to try astrophotography. After all was said and done my sky was too polluted for anything worthwhile, but the simplicity of it still intrigues me, and may be an intermediate step before going all in on the OAT.

[0] https://garyseronik.com/build-a-hinge-tracker-for-astrophoto...

[1] https://www.astropix.com/bgda/sample2/sample2.html

[2] https://sites.google.com/view/emvilza/proyectos/star-tracker...

Re: OpenAstroTracker: 3D printed, open source star tracker

#22
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally DIYed mine and it took a lot of tinkering to get a reliable setup. The kit is very well polished and uses the new NEMA steppers. As for pricing, I think it includes 20% VAT, which I assume is removed if you are not in the EU. I personally have spoken to the creator and they have tried very hard to make it as low cost as possible. If you have a 3D printer and live in a country with decent hardware supplie…

So if I understand you correctly, it's the R&D that makes up the majority of the price, not the components? Not saying that's bad, just that my question is what makes this cost what it does. If it weren't justified, there'd be competitors doing it way cheaper (the field is accessible and large enough for that), so it's just a question out of curiosity.

Have you seen how many parts there are? It would probably take most people with a normal day job a week to print all parts in the evenings and weekend. And that's if they do have a printer.

Add another 20 parts that you need to order from different place, make sure they meet the specifications, pay for shipping for a lot of different packages and that many things must be bought in bulk and not single pieces.

USD 200 is a bargain for this kit. Sure, you might be able to save a couple of dollars if you do the work yourself. But is that worth many hours of work, and the risk of ordering wrong stuff?

Re: OpenAstroTracker: 3D printed, open source star tracker

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The kit costs over 200 bucks. I've been very causally considering whether to get into astrophotography, so don't yet know anything about it but I'm curious: what makes this so expensive? A printed frame is cheap, and the other major component is a way for it to automatically move. Are the motors the expensive part then, because they have to be so precise?

If you find $200 expensive for a piece of astrophotography gear you are in for a shock when you research actual prices!

For example, the EQ6R Pro mount is a very popular and decent goto mount and it will set you back $1600. You will struggle to find any decent mounts for less than $1000.

$200 is EXTREMELY cheap.

Re: OpenAstroTracker: 3D printed, open source star tracker

#24
https://wiki.openastrotech.com/en/OpenAstroTracker seems like a better starting point. The main web site is frustratingly vague.

This wiki start page actually manages to explain what the thing does:

OpenAstroTracker is an equatorial mount which "compensates for Earth's rotation by having one rotational axis parallel to the Earth's axis of rotation". You can mount a camera (mostly a DLSR or DSLM) on top of it and it rotates with the same speed as our earth rotation in order to remove stars movement relatively to the camera and allow longer exposures this way. The mount is being controlled by an Arduino. The Arduino is controlling multiple stepper motors which in turn rotate the camera mount.

The mount provides multiple options for control: LCD Keypad, USB Serial connection, WiFi. Latter two enable remote control with special astrophotography software based either on the LX200 protocol, ASCOM or INDI platforms.

Re: OpenAstroTracker: 3D printed, open source star tracker

#25

Not nearly to the level of this project, but if you want to dabble with taking long exposures of the sky: Consider the simple "barn door tracker"[0][1][2] to try astrophotography. After all was said and done my sky was too polluted for anything worthwhile, but the simplicity of it still intrigues me, and may be an intermediate step before going all in on the OAT. [0] https://garyseronik.com/build-a-hinge-tracker-for-…

Seconded. I got some "great" (for me) shots using a simple barn door build of the 2017 eclipse and the neowise comet. Just needs 2 pieces of wood, a theaded rod, an esp8266, a stepper motor, a hinge, and some bolts

Re: OpenAstroTracker: 3D printed, open source star tracker

#26
post #2

If you have a black plastic object, why would you show it over a black background? It’s very stylish but I just can’t see it.

Cause it's cool and hip. They wanted art/cinematic look, instead of product shots that would be useful.

I felt the same way though. Some of the shots, they used a background simulating a blurred out star field which was a tremendous improvement over the solid black, but still very difficult to see. I did like the red highlight, but still that background.

Re: OpenAstroTracker: 3D printed, open source star tracker

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think GP's point isn't off the mark here, but also that the title doesn't need to be altered. There's no need for any additional electronics to construct a Dobsonian and mount capable of manually tracking DSOs, for instance. I say this as someone who uses "computerized" and EQ mounts, but I also assumed from the title that this was a completely 3D printable project (sans mirrors, I can print my own washers and bolt…

Oh sure, but in my defence a simple Dob eq platform hardly requires any software, so 'open source' would be a strange thing to point out ;) A lot of the hard work is the custom PC software & getting it ASCOM compatible for autoguiding, etc.

You can open source a file for use in 3D priting. Lots of work goes into creating those files, so releasing it as open source is a concious decision the maker made.

Re: OpenAstroTracker: 3D printed, open source star tracker

#28
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally DIYed mine and it took a lot of tinkering to get a reliable setup. The kit is very well polished and uses the new NEMA steppers. As for pricing, I think it includes 20% VAT, which I assume is removed if you are not in the EU. I personally have spoken to the creator and they have tried very hard to make it as low cost as possible. If you have a 3D printer and live in a country with decent hardware supplie…

So if I understand you correctly, it's the R&D that makes up the majority of the price, not the components? Not saying that's bad, just that my question is what makes this cost what it does. If it weren't justified, there'd be competitors doing it way cheaper (the field is accessible and large enough for that), so it's just a question out of curiosity.

Of course the R&D makes upt the majority of the price. When is that ever not the case? The version that is available now is not the only version that was made. This is something that has been thought about, made, revised, made again, etc. Things like this often go through multiple iterations. Hell, there will probably be a OpenAstroTracker 2.0 in a year.

Re: OpenAstroTracker: 3D printed, open source star tracker

#29
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if I understand you correctly, it's the R&D that makes up the majority of the price, not the components? Not saying that's bad, just that my question is what makes this cost what it does. If it weren't justified, there'd be competitors doing it way cheaper (the field is accessible and large enough for that), so it's just a question out of curiosity.

Of course the R&D makes upt the majority of the price. When is that ever not the case? The version that is available now is not the only version that was made. This is something that has been thought about, made, revised, made again, etc. Things like this often go through multiple iterations. Hell, there will probably be a OpenAstroTracker 2.0 in a year.

> Of course the R&D makes upt the majority of the price. When is that ever not the case?

Like, pretty much every other product that wasn't an entirely new concept in the last few years? Looking around me, I think the thing with the highest R&D price component is probably the chips in computers (desktop, laptop, smartphones), everything else is just mass production and low markup with hardly any research recuperation in the price (keyboard, lamp, paper, desk, floor, beanbag, fridge, IR thermometer, picture frames, a spoon, a computer display...). Unless you meant "when is that not the case for astro trackers", I don't get what you meant because it's rather exceptional to still be paying off R&D if you're buying regular mass-produced consumer products.

> This is something that has been thought about,

Obviously, but if it's open source (with a free, commercial-use license and no big call for donations other than a coffee) then apparently recuperation that design time is not a goal, they're actively giving it away for free and encouraging people to make it themselves. That suggested to me that the price must be for an expensive component or two. Or perhaps the printing time, but since it's mostly unattended and filament is cheap, I didn't expect it to be that. And the tracking calculations have been long done by people decades ago, so it's just buying parts and putting them together, where the "putting together" part is done by the customer since it's a kit. So yeah I expected the price to be mostly an expensive precise motor or something.

Re: OpenAstroTracker: 3D printed, open source star tracker

#30
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A couple of hundred bucks seems pretty reasonable. You have to source all the parts, make sure they work together properly and assemble the kit. I mean $200 isn't a lot of money for something you'd potentially get years and years of use out off.

Sure, but my question is why it carries this price tag, not whether I'll get years of use out of it. So if I understand your comment correctly, it's the R&D (making sure all parts work together correctly) that decides the majority of the price here, not one of the actual components?

Why are you arguing this? Are you really arguing the price of the unit because it's made from $2 worth of plastic, so why the mark up? Why does a car cost so much when there's clearly not $30k worth of parts in it. Why does a house cost $500k when there's only $70k of material. Trolls have to eat too I guess.

From your continued asking of the "why" question, it makes me wonder if you've ever tried to build a DIY anything yourself. Developing something like this involves a lot of the designer's literal blood, sweat, and tears. There are all sorts of levels of DIY from using 2x4s to machine precision accuracy. I will say, that precision is what astro is all about though. A seemingly innocent +/-1 degree accuracy will be okay-ish for something like wide-angle DSLR type shots, but once you start using longer lenses, you will be wasting your time.

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