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Re: Turntable.fm Hits 140,000 Users in Its First Month

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Post by pitdesi » Thu, Jun 23, 2011, 2:12 PM UTC

ChrisLTD wrote: post #5

Turntable.fm is a lot of fun. I've been using it with offsite coworkers to create a sort of shared music space. Unfortunately, it seems like only a matter of time before it gets shut down by the RIAA or riddled with enough advertising to make it sickening.

They use MediaNet for now... totally legal.

It costs them around $.002 per listener of a serendipitous play, and 10 cents for the DJ (which is an on demand play)... This could get expensive pretty quickly, so I'd imagine they are negotiating/looking for another source.

Also interesting - to be DMCA compliant, they'll also have to follow other groundrules, so users:

1) May not see ahead in a playlist past the currently playing song

2) May only play or pause the list

3) Can only play 3 songs per artist per hour, maximum

4) Can only play 4 songs from a single album in three consecutive hours, maximum

5) May skip ahead only 6 times per hour.

Re: Turntable.fm Hits 140,000 Users in Its First Month

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Post by pavel_lishin » Thu, Jun 23, 2011, 2:14 PM UTC

pitdesi wrote: post #21

ChrisLTD wrote: post #5

Turntable.fm is a lot of fun. I've been using it with offsite coworkers to create a sort of shared music space. Unfortunately, it seems like only a matter of time before it gets shut down by the RIAA or riddled with enough advertising to make it sickening.

They use MediaNet for now... totally legal. It costs them around $.002 per listener of a serendipitous play, and 10 cents for the DJ (which is an on demand play)... This could get expensive pretty quickly, so I'd imagine they are negotiating/looking for another source. Also interesting - to be DMCA compliant, they'll also have to follow other groundrules, so users: 1) May not see ahead in a playlist past the currentl…

What about the fact that I can upload my own music?

Re: Turntable.fm Hits 140,000 Users in Its First Month

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Post by vyrotek » Thu, Jun 23, 2011, 2:15 PM UTC

pitdesi wrote: post #21

ChrisLTD wrote: post #5

Turntable.fm is a lot of fun. I've been using it with offsite coworkers to create a sort of shared music space. Unfortunately, it seems like only a matter of time before it gets shut down by the RIAA or riddled with enough advertising to make it sickening.

They use MediaNet for now... totally legal. It costs them around $.002 per listener of a serendipitous play, and 10 cents for the DJ (which is an on demand play)... This could get expensive pretty quickly, so I'd imagine they are negotiating/looking for another source. Also interesting - to be DMCA compliant, they'll also have to follow other groundrules, so users: 1) May not see ahead in a playlist past the currentl…

What about the feature which lets you upload any mp3 you want and play it to the crowd? A lot of my files don't have the artist information, I don't know how they plan to pay to play the song.

Re: Turntable.fm Hits 140,000 Users in Its First Month

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Post by brown9-2 » Thu, Jun 23, 2011, 2:18 PM UTC

vyrotek wrote: post #20

I was pretty excited when this first came out. I listened to it all night. But, eventually I felt there was something still uncomfortable about the whole experience. Some people said it was their new Pandora. I can't say I feel the same. I get a little frustrated when I can't find a room playing stuff I want to hear. And then I get even more frustrated when I give stuff a thumbs-down but still have to listen to it an…

Seems like it's a lot more fun if you can join rooms with friends or people whose tastes you know intersect yours

Re: Turntable.fm Hits 140,000 Users in Its First Month

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Post by vyrotek » Thu, Jun 23, 2011, 2:21 PM UTC

brown9-2 wrote: post #24

vyrotek wrote: post #20

I was pretty excited when this first came out. I listened to it all night. But, eventually I felt there was something still uncomfortable about the whole experience. Some people said it was their new Pandora. I can't say I feel the same. I get a little frustrated when I can't find a room playing stuff I want to hear. And then I get even more frustrated when I give stuff a thumbs-down but still have to listen to it an…

Seems like it's a lot more fun if you can join rooms with friends or people whose tastes you know intersect yours

Sure. The problem is that we would most likely use the 'upload' feature to share songs and not their existing library. I imagine that feature is going to disappear really soon.

Re: Turntable.fm Hits 140,000 Users in Its First Month

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Post by WrkInProgress » Thu, Jun 23, 2011, 2:21 PM UTC

vyrotek wrote: post #16

WrkInProgress wrote: post #14

This might be off-topic, but the guys who created turntable.fm, they are also the co-founders of Stickybits. So what's going on ? Are they running both companies or ?

http://techcrunch.com/2011/06/08/turntable-addiction/ "When Stickybits didn’t take off the way they hoped, Seth Goldstein and Billy Chasen pitched existing investors ($1.9mm raised) this idea and ran with it."

So Stickybits is in the dead pool I assume.

Thanks for the info.

Re: Turntable.fm Hits 140,000 Users in Its First Month

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Post by pavel_lishin » Thu, Jun 23, 2011, 2:22 PM UTC

brown9-2 wrote: post #24

vyrotek wrote: post #20

I was pretty excited when this first came out. I listened to it all night. But, eventually I felt there was something still uncomfortable about the whole experience. Some people said it was their new Pandora. I can't say I feel the same. I get a little frustrated when I can't find a room playing stuff I want to hear. And then I get even more frustrated when I give stuff a thumbs-down but still have to listen to it an…

Seems like it's a lot more fun if you can join rooms with friends or people whose tastes you know intersect yours

Exactly. When nobody I know is on, I just use Pandora - with a crowded room, I can't skip a song I hate. And with friends, you get exposed to new music from trusted sources, and everyone ends up trying to play something that's equally palatable.

(Unless your friends are jerks and decide to play Tool's LAMC.)

Re: Turntable.fm Hits 140,000 Users in Its First Month

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Post by pavel_lishin » Thu, Jun 23, 2011, 2:22 PM UTC

vyrotek wrote: post #25

brown9-2 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like it's a lot more fun if you can join rooms with friends or people whose tastes you know intersect yours

Sure. The problem is that we would most likely use the 'upload' feature to share songs and not their existing library. I imagine that feature is going to disappear really soon.

Which is why it'd be nice if someone decided to implement an open source version of this we could run on private servers.

Re: Turntable.fm Hits 140,000 Users in Its First Month

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Post by rbxbx » Thu, Jun 23, 2011, 2:26 PM UTC

vyrotek wrote: post #23

pitdesi wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They use MediaNet for now... totally legal. It costs them around $.002 per listener of a serendipitous play, and 10 cents for the DJ (which is an on demand play)... This could get expensive pretty quickly, so I'd imagine they are negotiating/looking for another source. Also interesting - to be DMCA compliant, they'll also have to follow other groundrules, so users: 1) May not see ahead in a playlist past the currentl…

What about the feature which lets you upload any mp3 you want and play it to the crowd? A lot of my files don't have the artist information, I don't know how they plan to pay to play the song.

I've found it will usually try to match against tracks in their database (sometimes to my chagrin)

I've never tried a completely untagged file before though... so report back when you find out?

Re: Turntable.fm Hits 140,000 Users in Its First Month

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Post by flyingyeti » Thu, Jun 23, 2011, 2:33 PM UTC

rbxbx wrote: post #29

vyrotek wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about the feature which lets you upload any mp3 you want and play it to the crowd? A lot of my files don't have the artist information, I don't know how they plan to pay to play the song.

I've found it will usually try to match against tracks in their database (sometimes to my chagrin) I've never tried a completely untagged file before though... so report back when you find out?

Untagged files are not processed properly by the uploader. You'll get a "General Upload Error". This also seems to happen when there are multibyte characters in the ID3 tags.