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Huawei ‘may have eavesdropped on Dutch mobile network’s calls’

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Re: Huawei ‘may have eavesdropped on Dutch mobile network’s calls’

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Post by NicoJuicy »

RyEgswuCsn wrote: post #15
NicoJuicy wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're tldr; is a bit wrong. They had unauthorized access, which means they used it. It's not clear for what currently, that's why it describes the scope of access. They also found that the application can tap entire phone calls, which was forbidden. Edit: What do you think the following means ( Dutch is my native tongue, lol): > ‘Ongecontroleerde en ongeautoriseerde toegang vanuit China heeft na 28 oktober 2009 daad…

I don't get it. Won't your logic imply that all locksmiths are trespassers now? Because, you know, they have unauthorized access to most premises secured by locks.

It's more like a locksmith that comes into your house when you didn't call this time. And installed the first time they came, a device to check everyone that comes in ( since they discovered an Chinese application that listens to phone calls)

> En ze doen nog een ernstige ontdekking. De zes Chinese medewerkers werken met een programma dat hen in staat stelt om elk telefoongesprek dat via KPN gaat mee te luisteren. Ook dat is in strijd met afspraken. Deze mogelijkheid houdt in dat Huawei-medewerkers waar ook ter wereld KPN-nummers kunnen meeluisteren. Dat betekent dat ze delen van het gesprek of het hele gesprek kunnen volgen zonder dat de bellers of iemand bij KPN op de hoogte is.

> Huawei heeft contractueel de mogelijkheid om voor kwaliteitsdoeleinden een gesprek kortstondig – enkele seconden – te volgen, dat heet inluisteren. Het hele gesprek volgen – meeluisteren – is verboden. Een bron: ‘Ze konden nummers tappen, ze konden overal ter wereld meeluisteren, KPN had geen idee wat Huawei op het netwerk deed.’

They could tap phones from all over the world. KPN had no idea what Huawei did on their network.

Re: Huawei ‘may have eavesdropped on Dutch mobile network’s calls’

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Post by RyEgswuCsn »

throwaway4china wrote: post #19
RyEgswuCsn wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get it. Won't your logic imply that all locksmiths are trespassers now? Because, you know, they have unauthorized access to most premises secured by locks.

No, just the locksmiths with a bad reputation. Would you hire a locksmith if he had a record of stalking people?

I probably won't. Has this particular locksmith (Huawei) been shown to stalk people? Who are the people that accused the locksmith of stalking? Are they competitors? Should I trust their words?

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Post by throwaway4good »

varispeed wrote: post #16
sschueller wrote: post #5

Interesting how this 3 day old story is getting twisted more and more. Can we stick to the facts? Huawei was used for outsourcing, Huawei obviously has root access. If you outsource your IT to a company with known ties to a foreign government you can't complain about them having sensitive access.

Just because you have a root access, it doesn't mean you can just make yourself at home and grab any data you want.

And it doesn't mean that they did.

Re: Huawei ‘may have eavesdropped on Dutch mobile network’s calls’

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Post by throwaway4china »

RyEgswuCsn wrote: post #22
throwaway4china wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, just the locksmiths with a bad reputation. Would you hire a locksmith if he had a record of stalking people?

I probably won't. Has this particular locksmith (Huawei) been shown to stalk people? Who are the people that accused the locksmith of stalking? Are they competitors? Should I trust their words?

Huawei is a Chinese corporation. Legally it must report data to the CCP when requested.

The CCP is known to commit human rights violations, especially against it's Uighurs population.

Providing data to them is furthering these human rights violations.

Yes you can say other countries spy on citizens, but what the country does with the data is an important distinction.

Furthermore, there's usually a judicial process to request this data in other countries.

A warrant is needed from a judge, and even still any action must go through the legal process. Such is not true for the CCP.

From political dissent to being a minority can be your crime, there is no jury, there is no trial.

Re: Huawei ‘may have eavesdropped on Dutch mobile network’s calls’

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Post by RyEgswuCsn »

throwaway4china wrote: post #25
RyEgswuCsn wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I probably won't. Has this particular locksmith (Huawei) been shown to stalk people? Who are the people that accused the locksmith of stalking? Are they competitors? Should I trust their words?

Huawei is a Chinese corporation. Legally it must report data to the CCP when requested. The CCP is known to commit human rights violations, especially against it's Uighurs population. Providing data to them is furthering these human rights violations. Yes you can say other countries spy on citizens, but what the country does with the data is an important distinction. Furthermore, there's usually a judicial process to…

To be honest I do wonder what other countries' government do with the data they have gathered on their citizens as well as foreign personnel. I guess it must be that the justice league countries are using those data to protect their citizens and defend human rights across the globe.

Re: Huawei ‘may have eavesdropped on Dutch mobile network’s calls’

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Post by Out_of_Characte »

LatteLazy wrote: post #26

It's quite incredible really. We have undeniable proof the US spies on the EU, phone taps it's leaders, and uses the info to help US companies. But the stories are all about a Chinese company once having done a thing they were asked to do...

What no. How did you even get to that conclusion?

Re: Huawei ‘may have eavesdropped on Dutch mobile network’s calls’

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Post by throwaway4china »

RyEgswuCsn wrote: post #27
throwaway4china wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huawei is a Chinese corporation. Legally it must report data to the CCP when requested. The CCP is known to commit human rights violations, especially against it's Uighurs population. Providing data to them is furthering these human rights violations. Yes you can say other countries spy on citizens, but what the country does with the data is an important distinction. Furthermore, there's usually a judicial process to…

To be honest I do wonder what other countries' government do with the data they have gathered on their citizens as well as foreign personnel. I guess it must be that the justice league countries are using those data to protect their citizens and defend human rights across the globe.

It's more the structure of the government rather than a justice league. The governments are held accountable by the people. Such is not true in China.

You don't have to wonder what China does with it's data. They track and imprison people for their dissent and ethnic status. There is no trial by jury. You are sent off to a work camp.

That does not happen in modern democracies. If you have evidence of such, please present it.

Proof against CCP: https://xjdp.aspi.org.au/

Just to get ahead of this but some people like to say you can compare the US immigration centers to the CCP concentration camps.

This is a false equivalency and a common CCP-propaganda talking point.

People willingly migrate to the US and are relieved when they hit these camps, they turn themselves in on purpose. They are processed and either deported or released and await trial to determine their asylum claim. None are there by force, it is temporary to process them.

The CCP takes people from their population by force and keeps them in work camps. Notably they take people just for being an ethnic minority. This is all without trial by jury.

Re: Huawei ‘may have eavesdropped on Dutch mobile network’s calls’

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Post by LatteLazy »

Out_of_Characte wrote: post #28
LatteLazy wrote: post #26

It's quite incredible really. We have undeniable proof the US spies on the EU, phone taps it's leaders, and uses the info to help US companies. But the stories are all about a Chinese company once having done a thing they were asked to do...

What no. How did you even get to that conclusion?

Which conclusion? That the US wiretapped EU leaders [0]? Or something else?

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/30/nsa-leaks-us-b...

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