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Re: Boris Johnson cancels India trip amid rising cases

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It's surprising how much worse the covid situation has recently got in India. If you look at the cases graph https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/ I'm not sure how it's gone from declining in Jan to super exponential in Mar/April?

could be the new variants? Or changes in the weather/humidity, what is usually happening during these months in india?

Re: Boris Johnson cancels India trip amid rising cases

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post #9

It's surprising how much worse the covid situation has recently got in India. If you look at the cases graph https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/ I'm not sure how it's gone from declining in Jan to super exponential in Mar/April?

One word: variant. Variant B1617 has emerged and India and seems like it could be driving a surge.

There's not a lot of data yet on that variant's transmissibility and lethality but it has already been detected in the UK.

Thus far it doesn't seem to be as dangerous as the Brazilian P1 variant, but could be trouble just the same.

Re: Boris Johnson cancels India trip amid rising cases

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post #9

It's surprising how much worse the covid situation has recently got in India. If you look at the cases graph https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/ I'm not sure how it's gone from declining in Jan to super exponential in Mar/April?

2 major festivals, Holi and Kumbh Mela (attended by over 2m people with no social distancing or anything), massive election rallies in multiple states. Poor vaccination drive. A double mutant variant of the virus that seems to be faster spreading. Medical system collapsing, almost everything that could go wrong is going wrong.

I live in India. Just got my first dose (Covishield -- which is the AstraZeneca derived vaccine manufactured by the Serum Institute). The process was really smooth. Just went to the website, (I could have used the AarogySetup COVID app, but preferred not install it,) was given an appointment date. Turned up on the appointment date, stood in line (a longish line -- a 3 hour wait) and got my vaccine. Was made to wait for 30 mins post vaccination to check for anaphylactic shock then then sent home with a couple of fever pills (paracetamol I think). Was contacted two days later by a robocaller to get my feedback and the vaccine certificate was available for download immediately. The process was REALLY smooth. The thing is, its easy to sit in a tiny country like the UK and say the vaccination program is going well, India is vaccinating at rates similar to the rest of the world 3-4 million per day. But India is so huge that, at that rate it will take several years to vaccinate everybody. Harsh lockdowns sadly are even worse for poor people. They literally caused more deaths in the early days due to starvation (from not having the money to buy food) than the virus itself. It is complex to manage a vast and complex country like India. So glib, short comments on social media sites make good reading but are not reflective of the actual effectiveness of the government in power. And I say this as an ardent critic of the current Modi administration.

Re: Boris Johnson cancels India trip amid rising cases

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The relationship between these two countries must be pretty awkward. The former colonizer is now a failing nation, while the colonized has the future.

I would hardly consider Britain a failed state compared to the utter poverty, religious violence, and sexual inequality tens of millions face daily there.

I have to agree, despite having a strongly negative outlook for the U.K. — there are massive gaps between the two nations, made up for only by the enormous absolute population of India.

Things may change quickly and surprise me, but even my 90% estimate for the U.K. is Brexit-related incompetence (as opposed to COVID-related, so yes things can go sideways for new and exciting reasons at short notice) is that the U.K. as a whole ends up at least as strong as Wales is now, and Wales is doing about 13 times better by GDP than India. And yes, I know GDP isn’t everything, and I know that hypothetically the whole of the U.K. getting into internal conflicts equal to The Troubles in Northern Ireland (my gut says 5% chance of that) could be utterly devastating to the entire fabric of the nation… but that hasn’t happened yet, 5% isn’t very likely, and the more likely internal conflicts within the U.K. are highly regional.

Re: Boris Johnson cancels India trip amid rising cases

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The relationship between these two countries must be pretty awkward. The former colonizer is now a failing nation, while the colonized has the future.

India and UK have essentially the same nominal GDP, while UK probably has ~ 1/20 the population. This despite not seeing none of the violent conflicts of East/SE Asia, either during the great war or after that. India consciously inherited the draconian colonial system of the past century, with all its inherent builtin cruelties, and has shown neither intent, nor any inclinations of changing this. It clearly serves th…

I agree on one thing that teaching English as a primary language over native languages is a sad trend going on in India as it diminishes the culture in my opinion. But, where did you hear that "India thinks the issue is with its native languages"? I've never heard anything like that before your comment.

Re: Boris Johnson cancels India trip amid rising cases

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post #2

The relationship between these two countries must be pretty awkward. The former colonizer is now a failing nation, while the colonized has the future.

India and UK have essentially the same nominal GDP, while UK probably has ~ 1/20 the population. This despite not seeing none of the violent conflicts of East/SE Asia, either during the great war or after that. India consciously inherited the draconian colonial system of the past century, with all its inherent builtin cruelties, and has shown neither intent, nor any inclinations of changing this. It clearly serves th…

Bravo Sir. I must congratulate you on your bravery for creating an anonymous account just for this insightful comment.

Re: Boris Johnson cancels India trip amid rising cases

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post #22
post #9

It's surprising how much worse the covid situation has recently got in India. If you look at the cases graph https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/ I'm not sure how it's gone from declining in Jan to super exponential in Mar/April?

One word: variant. Variant B1617 has emerged and India and seems like it could be driving a surge. There's not a lot of data yet on that variant's transmissibility and lethality but it has already been detected in the UK. Thus far it doesn't seem to be as dangerous as the Brazilian P1 variant, but could be trouble just the same.

Although the variant is in the U.K it's not yet believed to have come from overseas travel. So maybe this is a variant that has a higher likelihood of mutation in a specific demographic (e.g. Indian).

Speculation at this point to be honest.

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the man’s well documented history of pathological dishonesty [0], I suspect that body language is how he was elected. [0] e.g. https://youtu.be/ZVOV3sU8Ays

It’s somewhat crazy that I can’t tell without clicking whether this is about Modi or Johnson.

Interesting. FWIW, Modi doesn’t have that kind of reputation in the sections of the UK news that I follow.

Re: Boris Johnson cancels India trip amid rising cases

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What should they be based on? Its kind of stupid to ask people to behave like Spock like value maximizing machines.

> like value maximizing machines. thats the job of a head of state

More like the Tal Shiar, if we’re using Trek references — politicians don’t try to deny emotions.

Re: Boris Johnson cancels India trip amid rising cases

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

2 major festivals, Holi and Kumbh Mela (attended by over 2m people with no social distancing or anything), massive election rallies in multiple states. Poor vaccination drive. A double mutant variant of the virus that seems to be faster spreading. Medical system collapsing, almost everything that could go wrong is going wrong.

I live in India. Just got my first dose (Covishield -- which is the AstraZeneca derived vaccine manufactured by the Serum Institute). The process was really smooth. Just went to the website, (I could have used the AarogySetup COVID app, but preferred not install it,) was given an appointment date. Turned up on the appointment date, stood in line (a longish line -- a 3 hour wait) and got my vaccine. Was made to wait f…

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