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Statement by UEFA, FA, Premier League, RFEF, LaLiga, FIGC and Lega Serie A

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Re: Statement by UEFA, FA, Premier League, RFEF, LaLiga, FIGC and Lega Serie A

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Post by PhantomGremlin »

gizajob wrote: post #16

Please, in the name of all that is holy, lets keep football news off HN. If the breakaway league was proposing to run on bitcoin with players contracts based on Etherium and club ownership distributed as NFT smartbeans, then maybe it would be justified, but I come here to be free of the inanity of the world of football. Regards KingLennon, Liverpool, UK

Strongly agree.

Maybe okay to discuss the Super Bowl or World Cup final or some similar major sports event. Maybe.

But instead, this particular submission appears to simply highlight cynical maneuvering and posturing by billionaires and corrupt special interests. On all sides.

Edit: someone flagged it. Good. I didn't, but I'm glad to see that others also feel strongly against this submission.

Re: Statement by UEFA, FA, Premier League, RFEF, LaLiga, FIGC and Lega Serie A

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Post by IG_Semmelweiss »

madspindel wrote: post #4
IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #2

The NFL cartel is dead serious about breaking up the UEFA (and its federations) local monopolies. I think it is brilliant to introduce more competition into the mix, but i also fear this will have the outcome to create 2 parallel tournaments and thus, take money out of the merit based system... into the franchise system. I fear the goal of this initiative is to derisk sport ownership by private funds. This is a serio…

NFL cartel? What's that? NFL as in American football (not soccer)?

Yes.

The NFL is only 1 example. The MLS, and MLB operate on a cartel basis.

In baseball, american football, soccer, basketball, one can never start a neighborhood team and make it to the pros, no matter how good the team it s.

Only the franchises are allowed in, and once in , you are in as long as you pay your dues.

In the rest of the world, soccer is strictly merit based. You only stay pro as long as you can cut it.

Re: Statement by UEFA, FA, Premier League, RFEF, LaLiga, FIGC and Lega Serie A

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Post by joe463369 »

IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #22
madspindel wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NFL cartel? What's that? NFL as in American football (not soccer)?

Yes. The NFL is only 1 example. The MLS, and MLB operate on a cartel basis. In baseball, american football, soccer, basketball, one can never start a neighborhood team and make it to the pros, no matter how good the team it s. Only the franchises are allowed in, and once in , you are in as long as you pay your dues. In the rest of the world, soccer is strictly merit based. You only stay pro as long as you can cut it.

Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding but isn't this the exact situation that the clubs are proposing?

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Post by unpopularopp »

LetThereBeLight wrote: post #13

I think it is a shame that the 50+1 rule (which states that at least 50% of the team's voting rights must be held by club members) is only instituted in the German League. I don't think any fans actually want this super league to happen.

Yet it led to the least competitve major league. 17 teams feeding Bayern, not really fun

Re: Statement by UEFA, FA, Premier League, RFEF, LaLiga, FIGC and Lega Serie A

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Post by IG_Semmelweiss »

joe463369 wrote: post #24
IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. The NFL is only 1 example. The MLS, and MLB operate on a cartel basis. In baseball, american football, soccer, basketball, one can never start a neighborhood team and make it to the pros, no matter how good the team it s. Only the franchises are allowed in, and once in , you are in as long as you pay your dues. In the rest of the world, soccer is strictly merit based. You only stay pro as long as you can cut it.

Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding but isn't this the exact situation that the clubs are proposing?

correct.

Its a weird situation.

People want the UEFA / FIFA monopoly broken... but competition coming from....USA cartel holders?

This is what makes it so interesting, too

NOTE: its important to note that the "proposal" is led by clubs that are directly held by american sports ownership. ManU is owned by Glazer, who also owns an NFL franchise.

That's why there is a reference to the NFL.

Glazer & co are effectively trying to de-risk the business by proposing a league where results don't impact the bottom line

Re: Statement by UEFA, FA, Premier League, RFEF, LaLiga, FIGC and Lega Serie A

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Post by joe463369 »

gizajob wrote: post #16

Please, in the name of all that is holy, lets keep football news off HN. If the breakaway league was proposing to run on bitcoin with players contracts based on Etherium and club ownership distributed as NFT smartbeans, then maybe it would be justified, but I come here to be free of the inanity of the world of football. Regards KingLennon, Liverpool, UK

I'm entirely against submissions along the lines of "Real Madrid win unprecedented 14th Champions League" but this proposal has some interesting facets that I think some HNers might find intellectually interesting.

There's a lot of broadly applicable questions here about the extent to which governments should interfere in the free market for the common good.

Re: Statement by UEFA, FA, Premier League, RFEF, LaLiga, FIGC and Lega Serie A

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Post by joe463369 »

IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #26
joe463369 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding but isn't this the exact situation that the clubs are proposing?

correct. Its a weird situation. People want the UEFA / FIFA monopoly broken... but competition coming from....USA cartel holders? This is what makes it so interesting, too NOTE: its important to note that the "proposal" is led by clubs that are directly held by american sports ownership. ManU is owned by Glazer, who also owns an NFL franchise. That's why there is a reference to the NFL. Glazer & co are effectively tr…

I suspect most football fans are indifferent to the concept of Uefa/Fifa - they just want them to be less corrupt.

What really piqued my interest was your phrase "I think it is brilliant to introduce more competition into the mix" and I wondered if you could expand on that.

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