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Why Spy Agencies Say the Future Is Bleak

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Re: Why Spy Agencies Say the Future Is Bleak

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CO2 levels at 418 ppm right now. It's not just rising but accelerating up. When are we going to start fixing this exactly? https://www.co2.earth/daily-co2

Never. Most humans are not willing to make the changes that are required to fix this. Instead we should focus on mitigation and adaptability.

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CO2 levels at 418 ppm right now. It's not just rising but accelerating up. When are we going to start fixing this exactly? https://www.co2.earth/daily-co2

15 years ago, I was extremely concerned about CO2. Now? CO2 is the single major environmental issue that I think is now certain to work out fine. Why? Because PV and wind are now the cheapest forms of energy, because even when you add the cost of batteries those are still cheaper than coal and oil, and because the factories to make them are being made as quickly as possible because the eco-friendly solution is so muc…

2030 is easily way past due date, and fossil fuel deployments have increased lately too.

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post #19

CO2 levels at 418 ppm right now. It's not just rising but accelerating up. When are we going to start fixing this exactly? https://www.co2.earth/daily-co2

15 years ago, I was extremely concerned about CO2. Now? CO2 is the single major environmental issue that I think is now certain to work out fine. Why? Because PV and wind are now the cheapest forms of energy, because even when you add the cost of batteries those are still cheaper than coal and oil, and because the factories to make them are being made as quickly as possible because the eco-friendly solution is so muc…

You should not focus on the easiest emissions to eliminate.

The issue is with the most difficult.

Some 10% of our emissions are from steel and cement. There are no cheap green solutions here.

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A lot of what they are saying is that governments are losing legitimacy and ability to deliver what people want, and this will shift governance and power to other institutions that will take over much of how humanity interacts. I guess that is bleak for the spy agencies but not for the world overall. People will be happier with a reversal of the tendency of governments to get larger and a return to more fragmented co…

What you are describing is much closer to Mad Max than a Utopia. The world ended up as countries and governments for a reason.

Yep. The reason was that geography based communities were relevant. That reason is getting out of date. And it is important to remember that nation states are a step in an evolutionary process, not the end point.

The reason these things are happening is that the world needs different institutions going forward and the failure of the old is part of that evolutionary process. And the old naturally dislikes being replaced and invents myths that claim this replacement is a negative event. It is not.

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I don't see the future to 2040 as bleak, kind of the opposite mostly as I'm kind of a Kurzweil techno optimist and think we should be able to get that sort of stuff going, possibly including uploading, immortality, interplanetary travel and the like.

Re: Why Spy Agencies Say the Future Is Bleak

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A lot of what they are saying is that governments are losing legitimacy and ability to deliver what people want, and this will shift governance and power to other institutions that will take over much of how humanity interacts. I guess that is bleak for the spy agencies but not for the world overall. People will be happier with a reversal of the tendency of governments to get larger and a return to more fragmented co…

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Re: Why Spy Agencies Say the Future Is Bleak

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you are describing is much closer to Mad Max than a Utopia. The world ended up as countries and governments for a reason.

Yep. The reason was that geography based communities were relevant. That reason is getting out of date. And it is important to remember that nation states are a step in an evolutionary process, not the end point. The reason these things are happening is that the world needs different institutions going forward and the failure of the old is part of that evolutionary process. And the old naturally dislikes being replac…

> The reason was that geography based communities were relevant. That reason is getting out of date.

Only for a very small part of the population though.

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