DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends • Hacker News Board

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Post by ZephyrBlu » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 5:40 AM UTC

shric wrote: post #19

ZephyrBlu wrote: post #17

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What are the differences in W/L balance and culture between SV and Sydney?

In Sydney It's generally fine to arrive at 9 and leave at 5 as long as you produce reasonable output. In SV I noticed almost everyone worked way over 40 hours per week, overtime was the expectation and the norm. I would assume this is not across all teams in all cases, just my first hand experience and also second hand anecdotes from colleagues.

Interesting. I would have thought things at Google would be relatively chill. People on /r/cscareerquestions who work at FAANG usually say they work less than 40hrs a week.

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Post by ImTheMaddest » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 5:40 AM UTC

schappim wrote: post #13

smnrchrds wrote: post #9

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I find that hard to believe. Do you perhaps mean compared to local wages? https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?cou...

As a Sydney-sider, these numbers are not matching my lived experience.

Also from Sydney, felt they were fairly accurate. Which numbers did you feel were unrealistic?

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Post by niceairport » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 5:40 AM UTC

bonjourmr wrote: post #11

Do you know what is a real shame? This statistic doesn't really correlate with the highest quality output. Most of them who stay put in Australia never really get to put their skills to good use. Our digital landscape is quite conservative & somewhat arguably boring, consisting of mainly traditional finance/banking & insurance - and we all know how these companies work internally (digital as a cost centre). Don't get…

I've had the pleasure of working with an Australian consulting firm - Industrie & Co.

Great people and great experience overall.

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Post by SilverRed » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 5:40 AM UTC

bonjourmr wrote: post #11

Do you know what is a real shame? This statistic doesn't really correlate with the highest quality output. Most of them who stay put in Australia never really get to put their skills to good use. Our digital landscape is quite conservative & somewhat arguably boring, consisting of mainly traditional finance/banking & insurance - and we all know how these companies work internally (digital as a cost centre). Don't get…

>Most of the good devs with half an inkling go overseas

No they don't. Because not everything is about money. Life in Australia is just better than some war zone in California.

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Post by shric » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 5:41 AM UTC

ZephyrBlu wrote: post #21

shric wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Sydney It's generally fine to arrive at 9 and leave at 5 as long as you produce reasonable output. In SV I noticed almost everyone worked way over 40 hours per week, overtime was the expectation and the norm. I would assume this is not across all teams in all cases, just my first hand experience and also second hand anecdotes from colleagues.

Interesting. I would have thought things at Google would be relatively chill. People on /r/cscareerquestions who work at FAANG usually say they work less than 40hrs a week.

Maybe it's chill compared to other FAANG. I hear horror stories from Googlers in Seattle that are ex Amazon

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Post by ping_pong » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 5:42 AM UTC

jpgvm wrote: post #6

shric wrote: post #4

> Switzerland $95,753 Australia $85,167 Denmark $73,017 United States $71,858 This is a bit misleading taken at face value as the US has loads of smaller cities with far lower cost of living whereas almost all of Australia's software jobs are in Sydney, Melbourne and smaller capitals. The Silicon Valley wages are at least twice as good as Sydney and nowhere near a proportional cost of living increase.

Sydney is more expensive than Silicon Valley so if anything it's an even worse comparison than it seems on the surface.

I live in Silicon Valley and my wife is an Australian ex-pat. Sydney is cheaper than Silicon Valley. Period. End of story.

She regularly looks at house prices in Sydney and dreams of selling our house and moving to Sydney but frankly I would never move there. I would visit, but I would not move there.

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Post by tac0_ » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 5:43 AM UTC

bonjourmr wrote: post #11

Do you know what is a real shame? This statistic doesn't really correlate with the highest quality output. Most of them who stay put in Australia never really get to put their skills to good use. Our digital landscape is quite conservative & somewhat arguably boring, consisting of mainly traditional finance/banking & insurance - and we all know how these companies work internally (digital as a cost centre). Don't get…

Melbourne based here and definitely agree with this. It's pretty hard to find a startup that's working on cutting edge stuff. Lack of VC funding here also doesn't help. The only thing Australians want to sink money into is real estate.

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Post by girvo » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 5:44 AM UTC

jlawer wrote: post #20

girvo wrote: post #15

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Brisbane isn't quite as painful, and there's plenty of work in SEQ with excellent salaries. Though I'm biased: I love it here! Aside from that, and this isn't Australia specific, but the acceptance of WFH over the last year across industries is quite exciting, with regards to reducing CoL.

Biggest problem with Brisbane is due to being a smaller market, there is there a fewer jobs available for less popular languages. Python & Go are finally seeing decent growth, but proportionally local roles are much more focused on JS, Java, C# & PHP.

For sure, though one perhaps small saving grace is in my experience the companies that are using those less popular languages were already accepting of remote work, which has meant I get the best of both worlds. That and I usually end up introducing Nim to whatever company I'm working at anyway ;) [I'm only partly joking]

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Post by shric » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 5:44 AM UTC

nl wrote: post #10

jpgvm wrote: post #6

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Sydney is more expensive than Silicon Valley so if anything it's an even worse comparison than it seems on the surface.

I read the comment this way too, but the OP is actually agreeing with you. They are saying that Silicon Valley salaries are much higher than Sydney, and the cost of living in SV isn't anywhere near double (as you point out, it's probably cheaper than Sydney).

I'm sure SF is more expensive, not sure about Mountain View, Palo Alto, etc.

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Post by bonjourmr » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 5:45 AM UTC

shric wrote: post #16

bonjourmr wrote: post #11

Do you know what is a real shame? This statistic doesn't really correlate with the highest quality output. Most of them who stay put in Australia never really get to put their skills to good use. Our digital landscape is quite conservative & somewhat arguably boring, consisting of mainly traditional finance/banking & insurance - and we all know how these companies work internally (digital as a cost centre). Don't get…

To be fair we have it far easier in Sydney than over in Silicon Valley. For example most (but not all) Sydney Googlers choose to stay in Sydney even though they have the chance to relocate to e.g. Mountain View or Sunnyvale for more than double the comp. This is because of the work life balance and culture here in Sydney compared to over there. (I worked at Google Sydney for 5 years)

Yeah, I touched on the lifestyle here being good, I completely relate - I just think it creates a conundrum.

Given this reality, we'll continue to be safe/slow followers to the rest of the world. Which is sad given this statistic! It is a huge wasted opportunity where we could be leaders in ideation, creations, thoughts, inventions etc.

I don't want life to change, but in the bigger picture, I don't want us to fall behind in the pack.