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Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

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Re: Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

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Post by 0-_-0 »

hannob wrote: post #15
0-_-0 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sad part is that AstraZeneca chose to sell the vaccine at cost, making no profit. This amount of negative publicity with no good reason will make them (and others) think twice about such a gesture.

Like half of the bad publicity for AZ is their own fault. The blood clotting issue is not, but the bad studies and the poor communication totally are. Getting a warning letter from an US agency for publishing outdated data in a press release is quite a feat.

"The company says the agreed cut-off point for data was 17 February, by which time there had been 141 cases and efficacy was 79%. Within 48 hours, AstraZeneca had added more recent data. On a total of 190 cases, there was 76% efficacy (and as always 100% against severe illness and death). It’s not much of a difference." [0]

[0]: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/26/how-the-ast...

Re: Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

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Post by hef19898 »

emptyfile wrote: post #20
0-_-0 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sad part is that AstraZeneca chose to sell the vaccine at cost, making no profit. This amount of negative publicity with no good reason will make them (and others) think twice about such a gesture.

How is that sad? Do you think the CEO and shareholders approved that deal because their hearts are so good and pure, to help humanity? No, it was to become a vaccine manuf. in a time of pandemic, to make big bucks (since at cost sales end in August this year). Oxford scientists came up with the vaccine and the deal to manufacture it with a partner. It looked like a great deal until it turned out that AZ is completely…

How is AZ incompetent? On other aspects than PR, that is. Their vaccine is working, it is sufficiently effective by anyones standard. That mRNA vaccines turned out to be better is great, but it was not sure a year ago.

Re: Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

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Post by hyko »

0-_-0 wrote: post #13
mellosouls wrote: post #8

This seems like another overreaction that will be interpreted - rightly or wrongly - in the UK in political (Brexit) terms rather than medical or scientific (although they are clearly an important consideration). It's difficult to see how Denmark isn't failing its population with this decision.

The sad part is that AstraZeneca chose to sell the vaccine at cost, making no profit. This amount of negative publicity with no good reason will make them (and others) think twice about such a gesture.

Yeah, $20 a shot vs $3 a shot buys a lot of influence.

Still, it’s good that someone stepped up the the plate, otherwise most people on earth would remain unvaccinated.

Re: Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

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Post by gms7777 »

alkonaut wrote: post #3

Not giving it to 65+ people seems overly cautious. There are zero cases in that group and even just a small delay will mean many dead. This is trading a potential unlikely side effect for a large number of severe Covid cases in high risk groups. Edit: yes I'm aware they have only a dozen or so dead per week but that also translates to hundreds of severe cases, missed elective surgeries, etc. For what would most likel…

It's a real world example of a trolley problem. They're choosing to let a large group risk severe disease or death through inaction, rather than pulling the lever and have a small group be at risk due to their actions.

Re: Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

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Post by amelius »

Did they even compute/estimate how many more people are going to die because of this decision, or how many will be saved?

Also, since experts have said that the side-effects occur because of an immune-reaction to the adenovirus that is used as the delivery mechanism of the vaccine, what are the chances that the people who have side-effects would die (or at least have the same kind of complications) from covid?

Re: Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

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Post by kzrdude »

0-_-0 wrote: post #13
mellosouls wrote: post #8

This seems like another overreaction that will be interpreted - rightly or wrongly - in the UK in political (Brexit) terms rather than medical or scientific (although they are clearly an important consideration). It's difficult to see how Denmark isn't failing its population with this decision.

The sad part is that AstraZeneca chose to sell the vaccine at cost, making no profit. This amount of negative publicity with no good reason will make them (and others) think twice about such a gesture.

You say they chose, but wasn't this a condition that came from Oxford in negotiations?

Re: Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

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Post by kzrdude »

mellosouls wrote: post #8

This seems like another overreaction that will be interpreted - rightly or wrongly - in the UK in political (Brexit) terms rather than medical or scientific (although they are clearly an important consideration). It's difficult to see how Denmark isn't failing its population with this decision.

It seems like a far stretch to call this political?

Re: Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

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Post by throwaway4good »

emptyfile wrote: post #12
throwaway4good wrote: post #2

Combined with the JnJ halt this postpones Denmark's vaccine program from vaccinating all grown-ups this summer to year's end instead.

[citation needed]

https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/professor-efter-vaccine-st...

After vaccine stop by Johnson & Johnson: If we only have Pfizer and Moderna we won't be finished until end of 2021

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