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Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

taotau wrote: post #10

Im not qualified to comment on the sociopolitical implications of this. I would prefer if things had not got to this stage but I understand the good and bad uses of such information. My personal solution is to obfuscate my online data. I have many disparate identities online which I think makes it a bit harder to be targeted directly. I know that a concerted attack could easily tie my data together but I think I am n…

That's not a solution though, that's working around the symptoms. The solution would be to ban these practices on a federal level.

There is no value in this GPS data as such, it's the techy equivalent of clocking in- and out - the fear from the employer is that the employee is skipping out on work.

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by da_big_ghey »

iso1210 wrote: post #19
da_big_ghey wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have overestimate that there is no overthrow of these. Geurilla war in Vietnam, Midle East, other have been fight best militarys with succeeding. But here we also have reason why we are needing for to keep gun rights, and for to end existing infringment (e.g. no restricting on automatics).

Its a reason you need to keep the people in your military against the totalitarianists. US police officers kill about 1000 people a year, guns don't seem to protect them.

Yes you are right on this. Policeman killing is random in most case, so not surprpse here. Also one may not be using gun against police; I am presuming that in rebelion one may, state monopoley on force is going out the window.

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by [deleted] »

dandanua wrote: post #7
apples_oranges wrote: post #4

We need to stop building a world without trust. Always checking, ensuring, surveilling (,mining on a blockchain), this is anti-human and will only lead to unhappiness, burnout, depression. It's no way to live unless we want to be like the Borg eventually.

Unfortunately, we've reached a no return point. The next natural stage will be the raise of fascist states. With mass surveillance, AI, and nuclear weapons it will be almost impossible to overthrow them.

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Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by goatinaboat »

extradesgo wrote: post #12
throwaway29303 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right but ironically the very same people that are now complaining about these measures were the same that enabled it in the first place. All for the sake of convenience. Pandora's jar was opened and there's really no way in sight to put its filth back and close it for good. And one of the worst parts is when this information can be used by people (nations, criminals, etc) for any reason.

> ”the very same people that are now complaining about these measures were the same that enabled it in the first place” Wage workers? No. That’s just false. I don’t know what exactly you’re trying to say but it’s wrong. This is just another appearance of the same class warfare that drives slavery. Working people didn’t ask for this any more than slaves asked for slavery.

Wage workers? No. That’s just false. I don’t know what exactly you’re trying to say but it’s wrong. This is just another appearance of the same class warfare that drives slavery. Working people didn’t ask for this any more than slaves asked for slavery.

I remember, because it was only a few years ago, companies would allocate anyone who needed one a BlackBerry. Any work calls would come to that device, you would use it for emails on the go etc, it was managed by the corporate IT department and when you weren't on call you could leave it in a drawer. It was very clearly "theirs" and could be treated as such.

It actually was ordinary workers who said, hey, I would much prefer to have the company take over my own personal device for this, which I have paid for and pay all the bills for too, it would be soooo convenient not to carry two phones, and of course companies gleefully said yes.

And nowadays if you want a "burner phone" for use at work, you pay for that yourself too! Congratulations everyone, we played ourselves. Well not me, I miss the BlackBerry days, and I said all this when BYOD was becoming fashionable too. But they still took my BlackBerry away and made it all but impossible to stay employed and not install their MDM crap on my own phone.

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by type0 »

gscott wrote: post #16
cedricgle wrote: post #9

I would like to see the employer reaction if someone has a Librem phone or any non Android/iOS mobile. Yet it's +800$ for this short satisfaction.

You could turn off location... but I would keep my job by getting a 2nd phone just the app and hiding my 2nd phone in the janitors closet. Maybe I would get paid 24 hours a day!

in some places you might be accused of cheating the SYSTEM and get paid for 0 hours a day

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by karlkloss »

That would be totally illegal in Germany, and most of the EU. Not only the employee tracking and forcing them to install anything on their private devices, but also the data collection and not disclosing what is collected, where, and how long, and not implementing an automatic deletion.

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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Post by varispeed »

karlkloss wrote: post #29

That would be totally illegal in Germany, and most of the EU. Not only the employee tracking and forcing them to install anything on their private devices, but also the data collection and not disclosing what is collected, where, and how long, and not implementing an automatic deletion.

Here in the UK government introduced zero rights employment just few days ago and that would be totally legal here.
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