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HSBC bans customers from buying Bitcoin-backer MicroStrategy shares

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Re: HSBC bans customers from buying Bitcoin-backer MicroStrategy shares

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they have issues with people taking on a margin that they cannot afford? Cryptocurrencies being as volatile as they are shorting them on a margin can result in high losses that HSBC prefers not to be involved with? Just a guess.

Not impossible, but IMO highly unlikely: stocks, especially smaller ones can be way more volatile than any currency with over 1T market value. And you can still buy those on margin.

That's true. Maybe something to do with regulations then? HSBC is already being accused of being involved with money laundering quite a lot. Also, what other coins except BTC have market cap >1T?

Re: HSBC bans customers from buying Bitcoin-backer MicroStrategy shares

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> “HSBC has no appetite for direct exposure to virtual currencies and limited appetite to facilitate products or securities that derive their value from VCs (virtual currencies),” HSBC said in a statement. But you wouldn't be? This is a product literally called "InvestDirect" where private individuals are buying stocks and assuming all the risk. If you don't want to offer margin on virtual currency products, more pow…

They just have appetite for drug and weapons money laundring.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2012/dec/14/hsbc-money-...

Re: HSBC bans customers from buying Bitcoin-backer MicroStrategy shares

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> “HSBC has no appetite for direct exposure to virtual currencies and limited appetite to facilitate products or securities that derive their value from VCs (virtual currencies),” HSBC said in a statement. But you wouldn't be? This is a product literally called "InvestDirect" where private individuals are buying stocks and assuming all the risk. If you don't want to offer margin on virtual currency products, more pow…

Maybe they have issues with people taking on a margin that they cannot afford? Cryptocurrencies being as volatile as they are shorting them on a margin can result in high losses that HSBC prefers not to be involved with? Just a guess.

I'm pretty sure bitcoin has less volatility than some of the meme stocks (eg. GME or AMC).

Re: HSBC bans customers from buying Bitcoin-backer MicroStrategy shares

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> “HSBC has no appetite for direct exposure to virtual currencies and limited appetite to facilitate products or securities that derive their value from VCs (virtual currencies),” HSBC said in a statement. But you wouldn't be? This is a product literally called "InvestDirect" where private individuals are buying stocks and assuming all the risk. If you don't want to offer margin on virtual currency products, more pow…

Knowing absolutely nothing about this particular situation I’d be willing to bet this decision is a lingering side effect of HSBC’s most recent (and seemingly perpetual) AML issues. I suspect they’re trying to appear squeaky clean and an action like this is quick, easy to implement operationally, and looks good to regulators who are uneasy about cryptocurrency’s reputation for facilitating criminal activity online.

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Re: HSBC bans customers from buying Bitcoin-backer MicroStrategy shares

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> “HSBC has no appetite for direct exposure to virtual currencies and limited appetite to facilitate products or securities that derive their value from VCs (virtual currencies),” HSBC said in a statement. But you wouldn't be? This is a product literally called "InvestDirect" where private individuals are buying stocks and assuming all the risk. If you don't want to offer margin on virtual currency products, more pow…

They just have appetite for drug and weapons money laundring. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2012/dec/14/hsbc-money-...

This is one of the reasons that HSBC are so strict now.

Re: HSBC bans customers from buying Bitcoin-backer MicroStrategy shares

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My bet is that they are afraid of regulators fining them. The multi-billion dollar fines they received over the last few years constitutes a significant portion of their profits and has probably made them hyper-vigilant. One of the unintended consequences of the Total Information Awareness / financial mass-surveillance AML/KYC movement is banks derisking at the expense of marginalized people and industries: https://w…

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Re: HSBC bans customers from buying Bitcoin-backer MicroStrategy shares

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> “HSBC has no appetite for direct exposure to virtual currencies and limited appetite to facilitate products or securities that derive their value from VCs (virtual currencies),” HSBC said in a statement. But you wouldn't be? This is a product literally called "InvestDirect" where private individuals are buying stocks and assuming all the risk. If you don't want to offer margin on virtual currency products, more pow…

If they're concerned about exposure, they could simply set the margin trading leverage below 1 (e.g. offering 0.1x leverage so that customers have to post $10 in margin to buy $1 in MicroStrategy shares).
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