While this is likely yet another bad move by Microsoft I hope this pushes web devs to start focusing on web apps and puts a stop to all those websites packaged with a browser that are around 200MB each.
Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps
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Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
For free... Only after you buy their (overpriced) proprietary hardware. Where could I download a copy of their OS, for free, to install on my non-Apple desktop? Okay now do you see why that isn't a fair comparison?
It's pretty fair. You pay money - you get a product. In Windows, you pay money - you get ads and tracking. edit: To make it clear to people not reading the comment carefully, I'm not saying MacOS is "free". I'm merely saying that once you pay for the computer, the OS is included in the price. And there is no additional monetization under the form of ads or tracking. Unlike in the Windows world, where you pay for the…
> In Windows, you pay money - you get ads and tracking.
Where do I have to click to get those ads?
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#23Apple gives an OS away for free - users never see advertisements. Microsoft charges $100 for Windows 10, virtually every corner of the experience is riddled with advertisements and marketing crap.
I would argue that macOS does have some advertisements , mostly for Apple services, they just tend to be cleaner and better integrated. (Also the free bit is a little fuzzy as the costs are baked into the hardware.) Microsoft is far more guilty however. Imagine how nice Windows 10 would be if Microsoft didn't own Bing, Xbox, and Office.
Given how much Microsoft has monetized Windows these days, they could probably give it away free and still make money.
Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
For free... Only after you buy their (overpriced) proprietary hardware. Where could I download a copy of their OS, for free, to install on my non-Apple desktop? Okay now do you see why that isn't a fair comparison?
It's pretty fair. You pay money - you get a product. In Windows, you pay money - you get ads and tracking. edit: To make it clear to people not reading the comment carefully, I'm not saying MacOS is "free". I'm merely saying that once you pay for the computer, the OS is included in the price. And there is no additional monetization under the form of ads or tracking. Unlike in the Windows world, where you pay for the…
They both charge for an OS. One has ads one doesn't. But one isn't "free".
Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
If Windows devices started charging Apple prices for hardware, would they now be giving the OS away for free too?
I mean if you buy a surface book you get windows 10 pro installed and activated, so they’re kinda already doing this
This may be true for Surface Book- an uber-high-end device. But almost any other Surface device you buy through consumer channels has "Windows 10 Home" edition on it. If you want to use it for business to join a domain, you still have to pay the $100 "Microsoft Tax" to upgrade the edition to Pro. The last 20+ Surface devices I've purchased were all this way.
Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's pretty fair. You pay money - you get a product. In Windows, you pay money - you get ads and tracking. edit: To make it clear to people not reading the comment carefully, I'm not saying MacOS is "free". I'm merely saying that once you pay for the computer, the OS is included in the price. And there is no additional monetization under the form of ads or tracking. Unlike in the Windows world, where you pay for the…
> In Windows, you pay money - you get ads and tracking. Where do I have to click to get those ads?
Quite - I have been using Windows since Windows 2.0 and I have never seen an ad - perhaps I am doing something wrong?
Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps
#27The are a number of Windows settings for turning off what it calls "suggestions". Do a search in the Settings app for "suggest", click "Show all results" and see what comes up. Amongst them are: * Show suggestions occasionally in Start * Show suggestions in your timeline * Suggest ways I can finish setting up my device to get the most out of Windows * Get tips, tricks and suggestions as you use Windows * Turn off sug…
A much simpler task if you're going to bother with administrating your machine: just install an OS that treats you like a human.
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#28Apple gives an OS away for free - users never see advertisements. Microsoft charges $100 for Windows 10, virtually every corner of the experience is riddled with advertisements and marketing crap.
I have Windows 10 Pro and I don't see any ads. I don't have win app store / one drive too, removed that on the first day.
Same for me - but the problem is we have to continue jumping through hoops to hide all the garbage MS is pushing in our face in Windows.
Once every x months, I have to install a larger Windows update - which has me click through a bunch of screens AGAIN, having to avoid accepting some kind of ad-pushing nonsense and tracking.
Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps
#29Related: Microsoft Edge’s user numbers are continuing to grow while Firefox's, which at one point was the second-most popular browser behind Chrome, keeps falling: https://www.techspot.com/news/89180-mircosoft-edge-user-numb... Advertisements or recommendations in Windows 10 are definitely helping Edge
The fact that they regularly "accidentally" reset the default browser or "suggest" Edge on my Windows 10 machine is probably helping those numbers a lot.
Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps
#30Apple gives an OS away for free - users never see advertisements. Microsoft charges $100 for Windows 10, virtually every corner of the experience is riddled with advertisements and marketing crap.
As others have pointed out, it's more accurate to say that Apple includes an OS with their hardware. Similarly, Microsoft includes an OS with the hardware they sell, but they also sell the OS to hardware vendors (their customer) or direct to consumer.
Now to say "virtually every corner of the experience" seems like a massive overreach. When you first install Windows, or buy hardware with Windows, you are likely to find some advertisements, i.e. programs pre-installed, and start menu tiles that offer other things they want you to install. And there is this obnoxious taskbar notification, which I abhor! It happens once after a major software update.
That doesn't cover nearly all corners of the Windows experience, though. It's just two items, and you can uninstall or dismiss the notification and it mostly never shows up again (except next time they release a major update.) About 363 days of the year, I will see zero advertisements in my Windows 10 experience from Microsoft.
Now, I'm not saying we give them a pass. We should absolutely be critical of these user hostile moves, but we should describe the experience using accurate terms and phrases.