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Huawei deactivates AI and cloud business group in restructuring

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Re: Huawei deactivates AI and cloud business group in restructuring

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Post by Ceezy »

megous wrote: post #20
Ceezy wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slavery /native american genocide, Philippine colonisation, no reason whatsoever to attack Iraq...

Obviously only now matters now. Not 150 or 15 years ago. Don't ask me why.

So if only now matter you mean that nobody should pay their debt? Cause i know a country who goes to extreme length to get back his money... So which was in it? Both ways i guess.

By the way if you interested the US is STILL in Irak, Donald Trump PARDON the CEO of Blackwater, US is supporting the war in Yemen, look it up it goes on and on....

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Post by throwaway4good »

ChemSpider wrote: post #17
llampx wrote: post #2

I feel sad somehow. Huawei was the only company which was going toe-to-toe against Google and Apple in the AI space. I saw it in their phones, which were better than many others, and had even better computational photography than Pixels of the same generation, in my opinion. Combined with their chip design expertise - they were making chips that were as good or better than the Snapdragons, its clear why the US needed…

> they were making chips that were as good or better than the Snapdragons Which ones? And how were they better?

In general better bang for the buck; though a bit hard to see as they used exclusively in Huawei phones. The Huawei P30 pro e.g. was a flagship model sold for considerable less than the corresponding Samsung or Apple phones in Europe.

No doubt in my mind that had it not been for the sanctions Huawei would be the top selling mobile phone brand even eating into Apple's highend market.

This page lists some of the chips made Huawei:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HiSilicon

There are some rumours that Samsung will start to manufacture their chips but the most interesting stuff will happen when mainland Chinese fabs become good enough at highend manufacturing. Then China will probably return the favour and start to ban American chips from the Chinese market.

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Post by Ceezy »

cyrksoft wrote: post #19
Ceezy wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slavery /native american genocide, Philippine colonisation, no reason whatsoever to attack Iraq...

Except for recent and pointless wars (mostly US here) you mention things that are more than 100 years old... China does all those things today. Your point makes no sense whatsoever.

US is still in Irak now... It's really not hard to find where the US is military active.

The US jail population is 2 M, China, 1.5 M. It's little stuff like this that make the US look worse than China.

Be sure that once China is finished killing Uyghur they will say that's an old story like ... hum ... the US. So yeah continue justify crimes, just remember one day, it could be your turn.

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Post by krageon »

cyrksoft wrote: post #14
krageon wrote: post #12

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So, in your view, every government in the world is totalitarian and genocidal? How can you compare the Chinese government, a dictatorship, with most democratic governments from western countries? Of course some governments do bad things, but tell me something genocidal the US government or Canadian government or any EU country is currently doing. There is no logical way to compare the Chinese government with any othe…

> You’d had the military involved and everybody would disappear and get ‘re-educated’ or murdered.

This is incredibly overblown. What's much more likely is that you'll be low-key harassed until you stop, unless you are literally trying to start a revolution. That really isn't all that different to what will happen when you harass your own government. It's not pleasant or right, but it's not a thing that happens in only one place.

> something genocidal

There are conflicts in the balkanised countries that are relatively recent (think the last 10-30 years) that when everything was over ended up with tribunals over what is essentially genocide. What you'd term "democratic governments from western countries" were the main driving factor in what went down.

I will I guess just politely not mention what the US does every single day for absolutely no good reason, because other people have already done so.

You can find old and relatively new evidence of wrongdoing on every powerful country, because that's fundamentally what they do no matter how the leaders came to power.

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Post by NoNonsense118 »

cyrksoft wrote: post #19
Ceezy wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slavery /native american genocide, Philippine colonisation, no reason whatsoever to attack Iraq...

Except for recent and pointless wars (mostly US here) you mention things that are more than 100 years old... China does all those things today. Your point makes no sense whatsoever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Native_Americ...

This was just 40-50 years ago, and the effects remain today

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Post by throwawaybbqed »

ansgri wrote: post #13
novium wrote: post #9

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You could make the case that "stealing" talent is in terms of targeting hiring people where the training and research costs were footed by someone else. Then again, as you pointed out, you could also make the case that they weren't properly compensated.

In Moscow, major Asian companies like Samsung, Huawei, LG all have research centers where they hire some of the best science students from top universities, in particular by organizing joint study programs. This seems to be a widespread practice around the world for them, and actually profitable for both students and universities.

Interesting observation about Moscow having a lot of research labs. I never thought to wonder why Moscow had so many but this is an interesting point. What do you mean by join study program? Can you explain? Also, is there anything that stops top talent from moving to Silicon Valley (or some place else?) after they finish school?

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Post by [deleted] »

DebtDeflation wrote: post #18

>Huawei Cloud became China's second-largest cloud services provider in the fourth quarter of 2020, growing its Chinese market share to 17.4%, according to data from research company Canalys. This marked a sharp contrast to the fourth quarter of 2019, when Huawei Cloud was not in the top three. They entered a market dominated by 3 players (Alibaba, Tencent, Baidu) and went from not even on the list to 2nd place with 1…

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Re: Huawei deactivates AI and cloud business group in restructuring

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Post by tester34 »

Daho0n wrote: post #6
iamgopal wrote: post #5

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They were stealing the talent.

You can't steal people. You can kidnap people and you can hire people. Maybe if you kill them you can steal the body? You sound like an anti-piracy advertisement. "Piracy is theft".

"steal" is other way of saying "hired"

because it feels kinda differently when you want to buy $competitor's top people

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Post by KoftaBob »

llampx wrote: post #2

I feel sad somehow. Huawei was the only company which was going toe-to-toe against Google and Apple in the AI space. I saw it in their phones, which were better than many others, and had even better computational photography than Pixels of the same generation, in my opinion. Combined with their chip design expertise - they were making chips that were as good or better than the Snapdragons, its clear why the US needed…

Going by this logic, why doesn't the US kneecap European, South Korean, Japanese, or Taiwanese companies that are competitive with US companies in those industries?

They key difference (outside of China being more adversarial in general) is that Chinese companies like Huawei blatantly steal IP from companies in those countries to make their tech.

Also, Huawei is essentially an arm of China's intelligence apparatus, so keeping them at a far distance from other counties' infrastructure is generally a good idea.

This isn't a protectionist thing, it's a corporate espionage and national security thing.

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Post by dragonelite »

DebtDeflation wrote: post #18

>Huawei Cloud became China's second-largest cloud services provider in the fourth quarter of 2020, growing its Chinese market share to 17.4%, according to data from research company Canalys. This marked a sharp contrast to the fourth quarter of 2019, when Huawei Cloud was not in the top three. They entered a market dominated by 3 players (Alibaba, Tencent, Baidu) and went from not even on the list to 2nd place with 1…

seems like they are stream lining the departments.

>Caixin reported an internal memo revealed Huawei’s server and storage products unit will become part of the Internet Products and Solutions Department, which will be renamed ICT Product Solution and handle product R&D.

For the rest I know too little about Chinese cloud offerings etc.

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