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Medical Student banished from UVA campus for questioning Microaggressions

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Re: Medical Student banished from UVA campus for questioning Microaggressions

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I’m afraid that when the pendulum of public perception inevitably swings away from this insanity, a lot of the social progress we’ve done on discourse and tolerance will be lost. If I’m reading this and saying “what these people are doing is evil, I’d like to affiliate with the opposite group of people”, I won’t have too many outlets that are not far right.

Could it be the goal?

Do those people try to be reasonable, or are they trying to disrupt the rest of society because, for example, they are bitter about it, have no hope, or hate the West’s evils so much that they’d rather take revenge on their own country, “for the good of humanity” (at least according to their ideology)? Which means, they are happy with pendulum swings, as long as it keeps us busy with aimless infighting, rather than being powerful and united in a war against, say, Koweit.

At one point, you have to ask whether they are trying to be logical, or whether they hope to throw despair, illogism and unfairness in all layers of society, because of entrenched hate of something.

Re: Medical Student banished from UVA campus for questioning Microaggressions

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The University of Virginia is a public institution so I’d imagine you would not see that argument.

I imagine they will settle with him to avoid the immense damage this would leave them. It would also avoid the case law precedent.

I would love to see them pay handsomely for this and set some case law precedent.

Re: Medical Student banished from UVA campus for questioning Microaggressions

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As a European I must say, American universities are weird places...

Do you consider UK Europe? https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2015/feb/02/goldsmiths-c...

No. They're like a mini-USA sans guns.

Re: Medical Student banished from UVA campus for questioning Microaggressions

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I’m afraid that when the pendulum of public perception inevitably swings away from this insanity, a lot of the social progress we’ve done on discourse and tolerance will be lost. If I’m reading this and saying “what these people are doing is evil, I’d like to affiliate with the opposite group of people”, I won’t have too many outlets that are not far right.

A big reason why the far-right grew is as a rejection of this insanity.

I take the bus a lot in France and, in conversations I overhear, people don’t seem to mind being racist anymore, discretely but a bus is already quite public. And diverse.

I don’t know whether I have a bias about seeing this trait, but I think 10 years ago, people would at least keep social restraint. Something has definitely snapped.

Re: Medical Student banished from UVA campus for questioning Microaggressions

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> On November 26, this suggestion became a mandate: The student was informed that he must be evaluated by psychological services before returning to classes. You know that something’s wrong when someone is forced to be psychologically evaluated for asking uncomfortable questions. This entire story looks like something straight out of a dystopia.

Going to university in the USA these days sounds like an absolutely terrifying prospect, and doesn't sound very promising for the future of the country.

This incident is bad, but it's also important not to look back to some imagined golden age of perfect intellectual and academic freedom. Take say the famous case of Bertrand Russell being fired by CUNY for his views on sexuality and religion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bertrand_Russell_Case Or some of the stuff that went on during the McCarthy era: https://www.lib.berkeley.edu/uchistory/archives_exhibits/loy...

Free speech and academic freedom have always been and will always be under threat. It's a constant struggle.

Re: Medical Student banished from UVA campus for questioning Microaggressions

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I’m afraid that when the pendulum of public perception inevitably swings away from this insanity, a lot of the social progress we’ve done on discourse and tolerance will be lost. If I’m reading this and saying “what these people are doing is evil, I’d like to affiliate with the opposite group of people”, I won’t have too many outlets that are not far right.

It's the "inevitably" that worries me. Is it really inevitable? People are so scared to speak against these blatant abuses (because they fear losing their job, or being victims of a Twitter mob) that I don't see the public perception going anywhere, at least for now. If anything, I see these abuses being perpetrated more freely (but that might just be my perception).

Re: Medical Student banished from UVA campus for questioning Microaggressions

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> On November 26, this suggestion became a mandate: The student was informed that he must be evaluated by psychological services before returning to classes. You know that something’s wrong when someone is forced to be psychologically evaluated for asking uncomfortable questions. This entire story looks like something straight out of a dystopia.

Going to university in the USA these days sounds like an absolutely terrifying prospect, and doesn't sound very promising for the future of the country.

I went back to school to take a couple classes at a public school in a red state. It definitely has changed but it wasn't that bad.

My observations around this:

* Lots more platitudes. Nearly every teacher in the CS department had signs on their doors about being an inclusive zone or standing for social justice. Seems like it would have been easier to just make a big sign that says, "The CS department is inclusive and promotes equity."

* Early in President Trump's tenure they designated an area as a safe-space. This is honestly the first actual safe-space I had run into, despite hearing about them endlessly in culture wars news. I personally don't mind a politics free zone.

* I had to take a mandatory title ix training. It used words I don't normally bump into but have been targets for the right like "trigger warnings" and "microaggressions". I wrote the title ix coordinator (simply because it felt like a waste of time) and asked if I could skip it because I had already done 8 years of college without running afoul of school rules and she told me no.

That was about it. So I'm not sure how endemic the problem is but my anecdata was it's not too much to fret over. My personal sense here is that the media likes to report these stories because they are "man bites dog" stories.

Re: Medical Student banished from UVA campus for questioning Microaggressions

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I’m afraid that when the pendulum of public perception inevitably swings away from this insanity, a lot of the social progress we’ve done on discourse and tolerance will be lost. If I’m reading this and saying “what these people are doing is evil, I’d like to affiliate with the opposite group of people”, I won’t have too many outlets that are not far right.

Could it be the goal? Do those people try to be reasonable, or are they trying to disrupt the rest of society because, for example, they are bitter about it, have no hope, or hate the West’s evils so much that they’d rather take revenge on their own country, “for the good of humanity” (at least according to their ideology)? Which means, they are happy with pendulum swings, as long as it keeps us busy with aimless inf…

They have onboarded big tech and the media, if anything I see them doubling up.

Re: Medical Student banished from UVA campus for questioning Microaggressions

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I so often wonder with pieces like this: what am I missing? I mean, it’s hard to believe this was so one-sided and that he was a little angel through it all. It could be, I suppose. And I am outraged if it is. But the question that keeps nagging me... is it?

It's perfectly possible that he was an obnoxious asshole in various ways through it all _and_ they were unreasonable in responding to him.

It's also quite possible for a university to act completely unreasonably in a conspiratorial way based on a culture of believing they don't need to obey the laws or statutes. (My university had a famous scandal a number of years ago where the person in charge of handling student sexual assault allegations simultaneously acknowledged in writing the legal obligation to report cases of possible danger to the community publicly (the allegation was of a group committing sexual assault regularly at parties) and that they weren't going to do it, after years of a reputation of covering up anyone foolish enough to report it to them, and said writing got leaked to the press. ...despite the massive public fallout from this at the time, the institutional result was to found a new org to handle sexual assault cases...and put the aforementioned official as the head of it.)

Re: Medical Student banished from UVA campus for questioning Microaggressions

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I listened to the audio. He was a bit tactless, with some barely concealed contempt for the entire concept of microaggressions. I consider such contempt justified mind you. The thing to know is that Academics take themselves very seriously, and it is a foolish endeavour to cast doubt on their status.
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