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Et Tu, Signal?

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Re: Et Tu, Signal?

#21
> of which the issuing organization controls 85% of the supply.

[citation needed]

> This token then floats on a shady offshore cryptocurrency exchange hiding in the Cayman Islands or the Bahamas, where users can buy and exchange the token. The token is wash traded back and forth by insiders

[citation needed]

> insiders are free to silently use information asymmetry to cash out on the influx of pumped hype-driven buys

[citation needed]

> Did I mention that the exchange that floats the token is the primary investor in the company itself

[citation needed, the linked article doesn't seem to say anything like this]

I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if all of this were true! But Stephen Diehl's increasingly hysterical anti-cryptocurrency rants are becoming less and less informative (talk about insider information...), and possibly, less and less grounded in reality. It's a shame, because he used to be a good, persuasive writer.

Re: Et Tu, Signal?

#22
Actually, bitcoin proponents can agree with 99% of what this guy is saying. The only thing that is not accurate is when he mentions counterparty risk: Signal is planning to add a non-custodial wallet, therefore there's no counterparty risk (granted, no counterparty risk of magical shitcoins, but yeah, no counterparty risk).

Signal did a bad move here, but they will learn their mistake eventually: once they remove shitcoin support and add bitcoin support.

Re: Et Tu, Signal?

#23
It seems any platform/app/software moving forward has the "risk" of incorporating a cryptocurrency variant to their platform and I can't totally blame them for it since they want to get funded one way or another. But why not open avenues for donations as well? Wikipedia managed to do so, Khan Academy is doing it, WhatsApp used to do it.

Someone here mentioned Keybase, which I would have gladly donated to as a heavy user back before the Zoom buy out. They instead tried their own crypto integration, then Zoom bought them, leaving that platform in a questionable state.

I get the excitement of wanting to integrate or even create your own crypto but after the fiasco a few years ago where everyone and their parents spun a new variant it seems to have left a bad taste to most people while causing a major issue: how to get people to actually use it? Especially through a chat app where chat in itself is fragmented.

Re: Et Tu, Signal?

#24
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Shit. Just as I convinced all my family and friends to move out from whatsapp and I uninstalled the stupid green app. What do we get to do now?

This isn't a privacy breach at this point though. It's just questionable. The security model of Signal doesn't require us to trust the servers (in theory - in practice, well, you've got the app chain and non-reproducible builds and distribution).

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Re: Et Tu, Signal?

#25
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Shit. Just as I convinced all my family and friends to move out from whatsapp and I uninstalled the stupid green app. What do we get to do now?

Can't the user just ignore this cryptocurrency BS if they (like myself) have no intention of using it?

I feel the biggest concern is about focus shift for Signal since doing one shady thing usually means other shady things will be done.

You can ignore it for now but how much will they push it over time to make it harder and harder to ignore? Will grandma accidentally buy tokens due to some dark pattern UI and then call you about it? Will you get constant messages from scammers trying to get you to send them tokens?

This might not happen but I feel it is a valid concern for a platform you wish to stay on longer term.

edit: And since the CEO of the token company has said he wishes to make future monetary donations to Signal they have an incentive for making the token do well.

Re: Et Tu, Signal?

#27
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This seems to ignore the fact that absolutely nothing about using Signal requires that one use this additional feature. It's not required if you don't like it. Yet it insists on it being a pump and dump scam, without evidence. :(

No one wanted Google+ either, but these things are a sign of a company with misguided or missing focus, a misunderstanding its own product and the core competencies of its team, and which may be chasing trends in search of growth, perhaps a sign that current revenue streams are not sustainable.

None of this bodes well for the future of Signal, either the app, the service, or the company.

Re: Et Tu, Signal?

#28
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Dang: could the title be changed to something more informative? "Signal announces cryptocurrency: opinion"

I thought the title was a pretty good hint as to the content of the article, assuming that you're familiar with the reference to "et tu Brute": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Et_tu,_Brute%3F

Re: Et Tu, Signal?

#29
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Oh well. No such thing as free lunch after all. Yet again, a user-funded nonprofit would be the way to go, but users want free stuff. Minority would donate, but good luck having a steady cash flow and being able to pay for the infrastructure and your wages.

Moxie seems to think that they need to do this to keep up with the Joneses, as they try to build some kind of decentralized alternative to WeChat. I guess we should have seen this coming when he got involved with MobileCoin. I'm not a psychic and it might turn out okay but it still seems like a bad idea to me.

Re: Et Tu, Signal?

#30

It seems any platform/app/software moving forward has the "risk" of incorporating a cryptocurrency variant to their platform and I can't totally blame them for it since they want to get funded one way or another. But why not open avenues for donations as well? Wikipedia managed to do so, Khan Academy is doing it, WhatsApp used to do it. Someone here mentioned Keybase, which I would have gladly donated to as a heavy u…

Having integrated payments is an excellent way to enable the donations of which you speak.

Note that keybase's payment integration wasn't their own, but was presumably a (paid) advertising deal with the B-list cryptocurrency in question, Stellar.

A lot of organizations that raised a lot of money during the 2017 boom are now trying to turn that into marketshare. Most integrations are paid marketing.

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