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For 2M years, humans ate meat and little else: study

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Re: For 2M years, humans ate meat and little else: study

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Post by femiagbabiaka »

danr4 wrote: post #17

In 2019, age 30, I ate only red meat (and a little fish) for about 8 months. It was by far the peak of my physical condition. Better sleep, stronger workouts, no mid-day grogginess. Blood test results were as best as one could hope for, apart for the debatable "high cholesterol". Unfortunately a couple of trips abroad (damn Italy) and I got back to a more standard diet. Have put on 15kg since. I've been longing to re…

IGF-1 is a hell of a drug. It will be interesting to see some anecdotal reports from current carnivore diet followers in a few decades.

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Post by mft_ »

VoodooJuJu wrote: post #18
maw wrote: post #5

My 2¢: in however many decades from now, we'll be about equally horrified by animal cruelty and by all the grain we used to eat.

If you're not eating meat and you're not eating grain, where are you getting all of your energy from?

Legumes, vegetables, and fruit?

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Post by JPKab »

danr4 wrote: post #17

In 2019, age 30, I ate only red meat (and a little fish) for about 8 months. It was by far the peak of my physical condition. Better sleep, stronger workouts, no mid-day grogginess. Blood test results were as best as one could hope for, apart for the debatable "high cholesterol". Unfortunately a couple of trips abroad (damn Italy) and I got back to a more standard diet. Have put on 15kg since. I've been longing to re…

That's a bummer about the meat quality in Israel. I'm guessing it's just super expensive???

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

The argument about tools indicating a change in diet: perhaps the baskets and pounders used for vegetable diets didn't survive as long as the flint spearheads. They could seem to 'disappear' in the historical record, simply because they leave no recognizable long-term evidence.

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Post by dyingkneepad »

ddorian43 wrote: post #10
maw wrote: post #5

My 2¢: in however many decades from now, we'll be about equally horrified by animal cruelty and by all the grain we used to eat.

Doubt being "horrified" on the animal cruelty. We're pretty good to dehumanize other animals except pets I believe.

People weren't horrified about cruelty against slaves not so long ago, and look at where we are now. I bet most people of that era would not believe we'd ever reach the point we got now. I bet many would even be willing to die on wars for over their now-completely-unacceptable ethic standards.

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Post by imagine99 »

Google234 wrote: post #4

This must be devastating news to the vegans and vegetarians they insist that meat is not natural.

I would not say devastating but it does certainly make you think. My wife is a vegetarian and I simply don't eat meat myself most of the time (I eat it very occasionally but don't like most meat for simple reasons of taste; I am completely apolitical and non-sectarian about it).

I thought this gave us certain health benefits of course (I try to eat healthy) but I would obviously have to reconsider this if it was indeed true that eating more meat would be preferable with regard to health and mental performance.

The article is not enough to convince me (I already commented about its questionable editorial quality) but I might look at the study itself and keep the subject on my radar anyway.

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Post by JPKab »

femiagbabiaka wrote: post #21
danr4 wrote: post #17

In 2019, age 30, I ate only red meat (and a little fish) for about 8 months. It was by far the peak of my physical condition. Better sleep, stronger workouts, no mid-day grogginess. Blood test results were as best as one could hope for, apart for the debatable "high cholesterol". Unfortunately a couple of trips abroad (damn Italy) and I got back to a more standard diet. Have put on 15kg since. I've been longing to re…

IGF-1 is a hell of a drug. It will be interesting to see some anecdotal reports from current carnivore diet followers in a few decades.

Why do we have to wait for anecdotal reports? There are numerous people who have followed this diet for decades in the US, but more importantly, there are entire tribes of humans who have eaten carnivorous diets for thousands of years. How much plant-based foods do you think the average Inuit consumes?

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Post by throwaway3699 »

moosey wrote: post #12
Google234 wrote: post #4

This must be devastating news to the vegans and vegetarians they insist that meat is not natural.

I'm a vegan and I could give a crap how we ate 100k years ago. It has no bearing on building a contemporary diet conducive to health optimal health and pollution related outcomes. Given trophic levels, meat takes far more energy, land, and clean water to produce. Population studies repeatedly show that large amount of meat consumption leads to individual and population health issues. The same is true of sugar and alc…

Devil's advocate: Would you not be annoyed that your individual health is reduced so that the "commons" is healthier?

I think part of the problem is people will not sacrifice their own health. It's mainly a "that sounds great, you go first" mindset. Thankfully with population growth slowing I think we're not nearly as bad off as you might think.

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Post by maw »

VoodooJuJu wrote: post #18
maw wrote: post #5

My 2¢: in however many decades from now, we'll be about equally horrified by animal cruelty and by all the grain we used to eat.

If you're not eating meat and you're not eating grain, where are you getting all of your energy from?

My hope is that various forms of artificial meat become viable and generally affordable.

I think this is realistic, in spite of the opposition we can expect from both Big Ag and Big Fake Yoga.

Re: For 2M years, humans ate meat and little else: study

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Post by danr4 »

JPKab wrote: post #23
danr4 wrote: post #17

In 2019, age 30, I ate only red meat (and a little fish) for about 8 months. It was by far the peak of my physical condition. Better sleep, stronger workouts, no mid-day grogginess. Blood test results were as best as one could hope for, apart for the debatable "high cholesterol". Unfortunately a couple of trips abroad (damn Italy) and I got back to a more standard diet. Have put on 15kg since. I've been longing to re…

That's a bummer about the meat quality in Israel. I'm guessing it's just super expensive???

The meat I can buy at any big US supermarket can only be found at mid-high end butcher shops, and costs about 3 times more.
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