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Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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It's amazing how fast they got everything back up. And at a higher quality than Twitch, too! The c3voc folks are heroes.

Quality is terrific. Probably because the lo-fi frames compress nicely! Underscores the need for a dedicated video service for live coders, algo ravers, demosceners, etc. Mux would be an interesting sponsor here ;)

Demos, especially modern/highend prods with tons of noise and other tiny details (scanline filters, fractals, ...), are legendarily ruthless encoder killers.

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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I just checked the top 50 live streams in English by viewer count. Exactly one of the fifty (it's not even in the top half) fits your characterization.

If you don't filter by English (or anything else), it's only two in the Top 200 right now. One of them is dancing (which then seems fine to me), one is doing ASMR and her outfit today isn't even that much of a "titty streamer". And zero in hot tubs. Didn't expect HN to fall for the incel memes like that. Also didn't think I need to give that advice here, but Twitch's frontpage and suggestions in the sidebar are perso…

At the moment there are 3 somewhat known hot tube-streamers on twitch, and they are brought up by the haters all the time. Which is kind if a joke, considering that there are >1 million others streamers at the same time. I'm curious how bad twitchs bubble-effect must be for people to be so limited in their experience.

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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I might ask here; RTX has been out for 2.5 years, has there been any cool demos (in the demoscene sense) that use RTX in an interesting way? Because I can't recollect any, but then I have been following the scene pretty loosely lately.. I would have imagined its a tech that some coders would be very interested in.

There is already a lot of raytracing in the demoscene, no need for RTX.

RTX accelerates ray intersection on a typical scene from a video game. But demos are usually not typical scenes, instead using mathematical models like signed distance fields that work differently.

There are other issues: you need compatible hardware, it is not well supported by OpenGL if at all, there may be too much overhead for 64k or less intros.

Personally I don't see how to take advantage of it in a way that opens new options, but maybe someone else will do. After all, it is something the scene is good at.

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Quality is terrific. Probably because the lo-fi frames compress nicely! Underscores the need for a dedicated video service for live coders, algo ravers, demosceners, etc. Mux would be an interesting sponsor here ;)

Demos, especially modern/highend prods with tons of noise and other tiny details (scanline filters, fractals, ...), are legendarily ruthless encoder killers.

Kind of ironic, given how small the sources are.

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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I might ask here; RTX has been out for 2.5 years, has there been any cool demos (in the demoscene sense) that use RTX in an interesting way? Because I can't recollect any, but then I have been following the scene pretty loosely lately.. I would have imagined its a tech that some coders would be very interested in.

There is already a lot of raytracing in the demoscene, no need for RTX. RTX accelerates ray intersection on a typical scene from a video game. But demos are usually not typical scenes, instead using mathematical models like signed distance fields that work differently. There are other issues: you need compatible hardware, it is not well supported by OpenGL if at all, there may be too much overhead for 64k or less int…

Demos outside of small sized intros usually still work with traditional mesh geometry, so RTX could have been helpful at least there. It's just not that many people are doing big demos anymore.

For small intros it's almost as you say -- RTX is mostly uninsteresting and not that helpful for current status quo at least on the surface. However, while SDFs are do indeed provide a relatively cheap and intuitive way to specify your scene spatially to allow ray tracing and GI approximation with varying degrees of fakiness, they confine you to a rather limited abstract geometry stlye. Anything beyond yet another repeated-rotated-cube-with-cutouts-fractaled-to-death is rather uncomfortable to pull off and is also usually very slow (see iq's incredibly realistic works). That's why most of the intros from last 10+ years look rather similar.

Also, I've been recently playing with Vulkan ray tracing extensions and turns out it's not that hard to pull off. There's a considerable upfront cost (Vulkan being verbose as it is), but it's totally manageable, around maybe 10-20k compressed. The entire PoC intro with music was about 60k, and I haven't even started optimizing it for size. It had also been compressed with "just" UPX (apparently ray tracing extensions work only in 64-bit mode, so more sophisticated compressors are out of the question). I've heard that recent work on native 64bit compressor from Ferris removed another 16k from it, so there's definitely a lot of room for actual content in 64k+rtx.

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Not enough titty streamers in hot tubs. Twitch is now (since ~2017) Chaturbate-lite, they don't care about content like this because doesn't bring enough thirsty viewers who will sub and donate.

As much as I love some of the streamers on that platform, I think I gotta agree. Twitch is going downhill hard and fast.

Its just becoming more like reddit. Reddit has some great information and content if you know where to look and don't stick to the most popular subs. Twitch is the same way.

Twitch has some great programming/game dev/traditional art/digital art streams. Also some great channels where people build mechanical keyboards and sometimes other electronics stuff.

I just wish it was easier to permanently filter out channels that you don't want to see. It lets you do it for your current recommendations pretty easily but when browsing categories it would be nice to be able to just click on something and filter it out permanently. I'm not even just talking about the sexualized content, I should be able to do it for any reason. For example, so I can block the annoying EDM streams they insist on playing on the front page almost daily.

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Very, very surprising considering the trash that's allowed to stay up on Twitch.

On one hand, I'm shocked that this actually happened, but OTOH, I can't say I'm surprised by this. Companies like twitch have no respect for art and creative expression. Their very purpose makes them incapable of truly caring. They'll impose whatever policies make their business more convenient to run, no matter the collateral damage.

I'm not too surprised given their history of inconsistent moderation and random, secretive bans. I do wonder what the justification was here. They have a section for digital art, game dev/game dev art, and other types of art including traditional. Seems like this would be acceptable.
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