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Re: Lambda School can't catch a break from upset students

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I feel like this is a problem of not being about to please everyone. Someone will always complain about something. I'm sure there's a flip-side to this post of people finding a huge amount of success from Lambda School (that are less likely to post about their positive experience).

I don't disagree that Lambda School may have problems but they're still young and have a lot to improve. Just from my personal anecdote but I've worked with people from bootcamps (notably Hack Reactor), and they've been fantastic so I believe that they're (bootcamps) definitely capable of educating people for success.

Re: Lambda School can't catch a break from upset students

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I feel like this is a problem of not being about to please everyone. Someone will always complain about something. I'm sure there's a flip-side to this post of people finding a huge amount of success from Lambda School (that are less likely to post about their positive experience). I don't disagree that Lambda School may have problems but they're still young and have a lot to improve. Just from my personal anecdote b…

Well, a LOT of students were unhappy about the changes. Truth is not a lot of students post about their experience on social media, and of those that are unhappy with the school dare not post under their real name. We’re job-seeking with the school on our resume, after all.

Re: Lambda School can't catch a break from upset students

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I was in a part-time Lambda School cohort caught in the middle of the significant changes made at the end of 2020.

It very much felt like a bait-and-switch.

The experience prior to the changes was what I paid for.

The experience after the changes wasn’t what I paid for.

Lambda School’s pivot in this instance was way too big, way too fast, and way too poorly planned/executed.

My experience went from having excellent Team Leaders(TLs) who graded my work, compulsory attendance, excellent Build Week TL and team members to an involuntary Mentor who ghosted me, a Track Team that never attended meetings, a Build Week with zero support, no attendance verification, no grading, and no response from Lambda School after consistent and repeated requests for support.

It was a shocking difference in experience before/after.

I get that Lambda School isn’t a bank, insurance company, hospital, or traditional school/university where massive risk results in massive risk aversion.

But it’s no longer a “move fast, break things” MVP either.

I went from being a strong vocal advocate for Lambda School to seriously questioning its business model.

I do sincerely hope Lambda School’s program evolves in a positive direction for student outcomes.

But in my experience and opinion, the Lambda School value proposition has taken a significant hit.

I’m currently awaiting refund.

Re: Lambda School can't catch a break from upset students

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I completely disagree. I went to Hack Reactor in 2013 and the ROI was fantastic. I really leveled up my JavaScript and coding skills in general and ended up dramatically increasing my earning power. I was hired about a week after graduating and just the signing bonus paid most my tuition. If I ever see a similar kind of school for the next skill I want to build, I'll probably enroll. That said, I've heard some of the…

I don't disagree that some of these bootcamps teach some knowledge and lead to jobs afterwards. But what you're really paying for is networking. Even junior development work requires a fairly robust set of knowledge, that isn't going to be grokked within 6 weeks or even 3 months (unless they were already familiar with computing/unix etc). That model only works for companies that are willing to onboard -very- green ju…

> But what you're really paying for is networking.

When I went, there was no network. Nobody had ever graduated from the school yet.

Nearly 100% of what I got from the school was hard skills.

Re: Lambda School can't catch a break from upset students

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All bootcamps are a sham. They make lots of promises, but end up just churning out candidates who can barely reason about the material that was foisted upon them in rapid-fire succession. I don't see bootcamp experience as being useful for a hiring metric. You can get the same exact results by independently studying yourself, and save yourself the stress and money. You're better off finding peers/mentors to talk to t…

I think boot camps are useful to programmers who are good self starters and want some credential to signal to hirers that they have some training.

I started coding in the 90s and learned solely from books, friends, web sites. I was lucky to get a job without a degree or anything on paper to show that I could do what I was doing.

I did some certifications and doubled my salary in a year. It was funny to me that they didn’t teach that much to make me 2x productive, but it fit into my org’s salary band structure because now I had some certs.

I think the challenge is that it sucks for people who need more help and actual experience. Now that so many people are taking them, the signaling is less useful.

Re: Lambda School can't catch a break from upset students

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Students all across the board were and are still really upset. Some student posted a poll asking whether or not students liked the changes. Overwhelmingly, students answered NO, but soon after the poll was deleted by the CEO Austen. He's deleted quite a few negative posts on the Lambda subreddit, too. I'm obviously no fan of his, after he described the changes Lambda made as "small changes in schedule" when [this pos…

Here are a couple more recent links relevant to Lambda School: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA8obAJa414&t=500s https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/lvi6mz/lamb... https://twitter.com/namssus/status/1339037833386930177?s=20

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