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Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS

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Re: Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS

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How to fully disable Google location tracking on your smartphone:

https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/10/08/how-to-fully-disabl...

How to disable personalized ads on Android:

https://www.androidguys.com/tips-tools/how-to-disable-person...

Re: Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS

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Last week my Pixel started to display an overlay with closed captions of the audio flowing through the device.

It listens in on any audio and transcribes it. Probably handy for podcasts, but other things are just scary.

Maybe it's OK if Google does it, I don't really know. I dislike it, it concerns me. The device would have a transcription of audio conversations I have through apps like WhatsApp. Or it could do something useful like transcribe podcasts and hand the transcription over to the owners, so that they can publish it along with their podcasts, without Google needing to dedicate their servers to it.

But if companies like Xiaomi get this feature for free on Android 15 or 16, I know what they will use this tech for. I know what Facebook would use this tech for, and I wouldn't be surprised if they finally start to sell a cheap but powerful Android device.

With offline transcription the "your device is recording me" will get so much harder to detect, as no audio will get streamed. It will become so easy to listen for keywords like "lawnmower" and count their occurrences or their proximity to phrases like "need to buy", or "is pregnant" and stuff like that.

I don't want my devices to do this.

Re: Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS

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I mean at this point it's obvious if you're using a digital device data is going to be collected, that's part of society and living in the 21st century; could be your toothbrush, fridge, washing machine, car...All these devices generate data that is going to be collected. It's also changing how crime is investigated; Google can be asked for a list of smartphones in an area at a given time, can be used to collect evid…

The point of the comparison made in the headline here is exactly that one does not need to expect the worse from everyone and therefore stop caring and complaining.

Re: Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS

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" Modern cars regularly send basic data about vehicle components, their safety status and service schedules to car manufacturers, and mobile phones work in very similar ways." -Google This is a beautiful quote because it is an example of one industry's bad behavior leading to another industry's bad behavior, upon which the first industry then users the second's similarity to justify themselves. Cars only started doin…

This may be pedantic, but Steam was collecting its 30% long before the App Store opened. Thought maybe that was inspired by Apple's cut of music revenues in the iTunes Store.

Re: Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS

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"20X more telemetry", in terms of data usage, is a pretty meaningless statistic on its own (unless it's large enough to affect your mobile data cap or something).

For instance, I would consider it a much bigger privacy violation for my phone to transmit my exact location every hour than my current CPU usage every 10 seconds.

Re: Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS

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As users, we are assured that telemetry is only for the purpose of "improving products and services", "improving user experience", etc. If one company is collecting 20x as much as another, all else being equal, one would expect that this would be reflected in the quality of the product/service/experience. Of course, Google's service is to advertisers, first and foremost. Users generally do not pay for what they recei…

I don't think this is necessarily true. I believe that Google Maps navigation and location accuracy is significantly better on Android than iOS (no claim on 20x...but anectdatally better)

Google Maps getting more precise telemetry data is actually so useful in improving the navigation experience in tricky intersections, overlapping roads, or low bandwidth areas where GPS signal and service can be spotty. I can speak from experience that friends with Android phones experience less jumpiness in their GPS location, less errors in navigation, and less of that pesky "You've Arrived" notification triggering when still far away from the destination.

Re: Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS

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What are the best alternatives to iOS and Android? Is it reasonable to consider the hardware itself "safe", given that the software tracks and calls home about every single thing it does? What are the alternatives?

There are no practical alternatives.

If you're serious enough to use impractical solutions, you probably want a non-google Android distro: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_custom_Android_distrib...

Re: Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS

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How to fully disable Google location tracking on your smartphone: https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/10/08/how-to-fully-disabl... How to disable personalized ads on Android: https://www.androidguys.com/tips-tools/how-to-disable-person...

> Note that if you clear your cache, you will lose your opt-out setting.” Tap OK to continue and implement the change.

Which cache is that talking about, the browser, or some system level thing? Doesn't clearing your cache break some of their fingerprinting and tracking stuff (timing side channels, etc.)? Seems kind of egregious to have clearing that simultaneously opt you back in.

Re: Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS

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How to fully disable Google location tracking on your smartphone: https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/10/08/how-to-fully-disabl... How to disable personalized ads on Android: https://www.androidguys.com/tips-tools/how-to-disable-person...

PSA: This does NOT stop Google tracking your smartphones location. If you think taking these steps means Google's blissfully unaware of where your smartphone is located is denying themselves reality, there are many, many ways to track where a handset is at any given moment (IP address, cellular tower location, with 5G it can be even more precise).

I'd be shocked if after turning off all the settings on my phone it was impossible to track its location via some capability somewhere.

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