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As Bad Information Spreads, Florida Schools Seek to Teach 'Digital Literacy'

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Re: As Bad Information Spreads, Florida Schools Seek to Teach 'Digital Literacy'

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What you call "bad information" I call "a difference of opinion." And I call your attempts to institute mass re-education in "digital literacy" to "combat" this "bad information" suppression of free thought and oppression of contrarian and non-mainstream voices.

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I wonder if this will work out any better than the "computer" classes that teach people to use MS Word (do you really need a class on this?) instead of something they could actually use like an understanding of relational algebra.

What do people use more often to get work done. MS Word or relational algebra?

MS Word, but it pays much less well.

But, por que no los dos? Sure, teach MS Word, and also teach relational algebra.

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Is this an education problem though? Surely those crowds at the capitol had plenty of well educated, highly functioning adults. But when you incentivize divisiveness to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars in ad revenue, companies like Facebook, grifting media personalities, and corrupted politicians will always collude to outwit them. We have a problem with a runaway hyper-capitalist economic system and decay…

Citation needed on that "educated, well functioning".

Were they morons? Perhaps. But most of them were what we'd otherwise call "functioning adults," i.e. people with families and jobs. Their only crime was trusting Donald Trump. Well, that and the rioting.

Re: As Bad Information Spreads, Florida Schools Seek to Teach 'Digital Literacy'

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I think a component of the issue is that we've spent at least the last decade teaching kids that they should think for themselves as long as what they're thinking is something that an "expert" told them was true. This could not be farther from teaching critical thinking. Primary sources can be wrong. Primary sources can lie. Primary sources can tell the truth, but only the part that supports their argument. There was a great article to this end posted yesterday.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My kids are being taught a lot of critical race theory concepts in their middle school which, to put it charitably, don't have a whole lot of objective data behind them. That said, it's probably reasonable for schools to try to propagate some set of standard ideologies which parents can then modulate by offering their own opinions. The place this probably doesn't work so well is situations where parents are either ab…

> My kids are being taught a lot of critical race theory concepts in their middle school which, to put it charitably, don't have a whole lot of objective data behind them. Can you give examples of the concepts you mention your kids are being taught in their middle school?

>Can you give examples of the concepts you mention your kids are being taught in their middle school?

Probably something in the line of this:

https://www.nasponline.org/resources-and-publications/resour...

or this

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/learning/lesson-plans/tea...

Re: As Bad Information Spreads, Florida Schools Seek to Teach 'Digital Literacy'

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30 years ago we called this "critical thinking", something schools have always had a lot trouble with, in part because critical thinking is a weapon against illegitimate authority, which schools also have a lot of trouble with.

My kids are being taught a lot of critical race theory concepts in their middle school which, to put it charitably, don't have a whole lot of objective data behind them. That said, it's probably reasonable for schools to try to propagate some set of standard ideologies which parents can then modulate by offering their own opinions. The place this probably doesn't work so well is situations where parents are either ab…

I am sorry that your kids are being indoctrinated with CRT. I will pull my kids from public school before they are "taught" CRT. The goal of a school should be to teach how to think for yourself and provide tools to solve problems. Telling children what they are supposed to think has no place in school.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My kids are being taught a lot of critical race theory concepts in their middle school which, to put it charitably, don't have a whole lot of objective data behind them. That said, it's probably reasonable for schools to try to propagate some set of standard ideologies which parents can then modulate by offering their own opinions. The place this probably doesn't work so well is situations where parents are either ab…

Have you spoken to the school about your concerns? Do your children know about your reservations with what they are being taught?

Children can be taught to believe basically anything, easily. Teaching them to question and then things through comes much later.

Got a a decent dose of class warfare ideology growing up. Spent years after college reading various opinions before finally settling on my own beliefs. My oldest asks me who to vote for. She gets annoyed when I try and explain the various viewpoints of each candidate, and some pros and cons.

I now firmly hold the belief that it’s immoral to vote if you can’t be bothered to study up on some basics. Like a what is a bond.

Re: As Bad Information Spreads, Florida Schools Seek to Teach 'Digital Literacy'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My kids are being taught a lot of critical race theory concepts in their middle school which, to put it charitably, don't have a whole lot of objective data behind them. That said, it's probably reasonable for schools to try to propagate some set of standard ideologies which parents can then modulate by offering their own opinions. The place this probably doesn't work so well is situations where parents are either ab…

Have you spoken to the school about your concerns? Do your children know about your reservations with what they are being taught?

I'm not overly concerned about it. It's my job as a parent to modulate the information they receive with school, and I'm fine with that. The most challenging part about it is they are asked to do assignments whose responses contain a strong political element, meaning there is a "right" opinion the teacher wants to hear. Again, that doesn't overly bother me. That's life, and my kids need to learn to operate in politically charged environments.

Yes, my children know what I think, and we discuss everything openly.

Re: As Bad Information Spreads, Florida Schools Seek to Teach 'Digital Literacy'

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Yep the problem is the so called "bad information" is mostly just stuff the left dislikes due to Trump and not necessarily false. This is easy to see now that Biden is doing just as badly with immigration and even worse is some regards but now suddenly it's not an issue we need to be concerned with. It's incredibly obvious that even factual information is being regarded as false if it doesn't align with a certain age…

I think your comment will be downvoted to invisibility for using the trigger words "Trump" and "the left" but you're not wrong. As a European we experience the political trickle-down of "critical race theory" from the US cultural war even if our history is completely different. And as an outsider, the double-standard in reporting and tone on Trump vs. Biden is disturbing to see.

CRT specifically may be largely junk (I think it is), but the parent comment is not correct.

Trump's "Zero Tolerance" immigration policy intentionally separated mothers and their children at the border with the intent being deterrence. Cruelty was the intended goal of that policy to dissuade people from coming to the border. Previously adults and children would only be separated if border patrol suspected abuse (child trafficking).

Some children have yet to be reunited with their parents (and may never be) because the Trump administration failed to keep records (and frankly didn't care).

The "remain in mexico" policy was intended to prevent those crossing the border to be able to exercise their legal right to claim asylum.

Immigration policy is complex, dealing with desperate people fleeing their country to enter the US is not easy. That doesn't make the Trump administration policy equivalent to the difficulties Biden is experiencing on the border. Intent and policy decisions matter.

This is one specific example, but there are many others.

Re: As Bad Information Spreads, Florida Schools Seek to Teach 'Digital Literacy'

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Also because teachers have trouble with it. I’d guess out of all the teachers I had at a decent public school, probably only 1 in 5 could be reasonably considered critical thinkers. I’d guess 2 in 5 were actively hostile to the concept and the rest were just ambivalent. Illegitimate (or at least arbitrary) authority is something schools seem to thrive on. Our school had a staircase you could only go up and one you co…

> Underpaid, low status jobs To me this is the critical problem. Education is an incredibly important part of a well-functioning society, but we treat teachers very poorly. We need to elevate teachers, both in the training & expertise needed as well as the pay and autonomy we provide them.

Married to a teacher.

Logic has no part in most elementary classrooms.

I argue we need to go dumber.

Have a basic certification that you can teach vowel sounds. Bring in plenty of cheap people to lower grades and have them work 1 on 1 with each student.

Seen way to much of teachers teaching to what the kids are supposed to be capable of, vs what they actually are.

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