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Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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Post by Der_Einzige »

throwaway_-_-_- wrote: post #18

Creating a throwaway for obvious reasons. I'm not an investor but someone who is in a position to make key decisions about peoples' careers and give advice, and I do have a bit of a trick I use for this. There was one black female mentee who I noticed was timid in taking credit for her work. I had recently attended a diversity panel where someone in a similar role as me said that in a similar situation, and her advic…

This situation is extremely sad because the whole "have the confidence of a medicine white man" thing is a common slogan used by feminists to try to combat the general lower levels of self-confidence among women.

I guess you yourself repeating the same woke quite took away the uniqueness of the idea as it would be articulated by a non privledged individual.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-15/carry-yourself-with-t...

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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Post by starkd »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #7
dijit wrote: post #3

It is absolutely unforgivable that we allow terms such as “mansplaining” to exist and be used unfettered and then on the other had deride their position because ! men not explaining things candidly ! Something has to give. Obviously obnoxious behaviour should be curbed but the usage of mansplaing (and I would argue: the minting of the term when we have an equivalent in “condescending”) I don’t even know what to say.…

I think of "mansplaining" as men giving unsolicited advice rooted in assuming women are just stupid and failing to recognize that things work differently for women, so women can do the same things men do and get different results, which means women do things differently from men and sometimes there seems to be no good means for a woman to do anything. Kind of like male construction workers can take their shirts off i…

Well, to be fair, a large busted female taking her top off at a construction site would be a distraction in a way that a flat-chested girl would not. In a way that safety could be affected. It would be an anomaly that would instigate a reflexive reaction.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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Post by cbdumas »

I don't think the author needed to bring "false accusation" into the picture here, and in fact it weakens the point. I think male investor saying to a female CEO that her male colleague is better suited to the CEO role would be taken, ipso facto, as sexism. No falsehoods need enter the picture.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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Post by marsrover »

mattlondon wrote: post #15

Anecdotal but my office is ultra -woke. There are endless internal emails about whatever-week, or veterans-this, or LBGTQ+-that etc etc. People have been hounded out and either quit or been fired for fairly minor "infractions" of the groupthink (...and also some people have rightly been fired for actual inappropriate behaviour). And guess what all this talk about "toxic masculinity" and generally vilifying all men le…

If I ever get fired for not being woke enough, I am going to breathe a sigh of relief.

I'm 100% tired of all of it, to the point that I almost want someone to cancel me.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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Post by lupire »

throwaway_-_-_- wrote: post #18

Creating a throwaway for obvious reasons. I'm not an investor but someone who is in a position to make key decisions about peoples' careers and give advice, and I do have a bit of a trick I use for this. There was one black female mentee who I noticed was timid in taking credit for her work. I had recently attended a diversity panel where someone in a similar role as me said that in a similar situation, and her advic…

I think you learned the wrong trick. The "trick" is to not have a trick. Use mature, respectful language and not echo the divisive political language wielded by activists.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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Post by DoreenMichele »

starkd wrote: post #22
DoreenMichele wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think of "mansplaining" as men giving unsolicited advice rooted in assuming women are just stupid and failing to recognize that things work differently for women, so women can do the same things men do and get different results, which means women do things differently from men and sometimes there seems to be no good means for a woman to do anything. Kind of like male construction workers can take their shirts off i…

Well, to be fair, a large busted female taking her top off at a construction site would be a distraction in a way that a flat-chested girl would not. In a way that safety could be affected. It would be an anomaly that would instigate a reflexive reaction.

So you're saying you agree with me: The world works different for women than men, so telling a woman "If you're sweating while working hard in the heat, take your top off." would be actively bad advice that assumes she's merely stupid for not doing so?

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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Post by cistercianic »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #5

I'm really glad to see this here. I don't have a better word readily available than sexism for trying to talk about patterns like this but when I use the word sexism , I think people think I mean "Men are intentionally exclusionary assholes just to be assholes because they simply hate women." and that's never what I'm trying to say. I find my gender is a barrier to getting traction and my experience is that it's due…

>men erring on the side of protecting themselves and not wanting to take risks to engage with me meaningfully

Do you believe that people should take potentially career-ending risks to benefit you?

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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Post by asjldkfin »

I feel like history is going to look at this phenomenon as a strange curiosity, the same way we look at the Inquisition or the Salem Witch Trials today or even some of the communist revolutions.

People will say "It's pretty unbelievable that happened, because no sane individual would ever condone something so extreme."

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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Post by DoreenMichele »

cistercianic wrote: post #27
DoreenMichele wrote: post #5

I'm really glad to see this here. I don't have a better word readily available than sexism for trying to talk about patterns like this but when I use the word sexism , I think people think I mean "Men are intentionally exclusionary assholes just to be assholes because they simply hate women." and that's never what I'm trying to say. I find my gender is a barrier to getting traction and my experience is that it's due…

>men erring on the side of protecting themselves and not wanting to take risks to engage with me meaningfully Do you believe that people should take potentially career-ending risks to benefit you?

No.

But I believe I shouldn't have to literally starve and be homeless for years for the crime of being born with girl bits between my legs, which is more or less part of my back story here.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway_-_-_- wrote: post #18

Creating a throwaway for obvious reasons. I'm not an investor but someone who is in a position to make key decisions about peoples' careers and give advice, and I do have a bit of a trick I use for this. There was one black female mentee who I noticed was timid in taking credit for her work. I had recently attended a diversity panel where someone in a similar role as me said that in a similar situation, and her advic…

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