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Germany pauses AstraZeneca vaccinations as a 'precaution'

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Re: Germany pauses AstraZeneca vaccinations as a 'precaution'

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Post by dcolkitt »

giantandroids wrote: post #8

You do have to wonder if some of this is politically driven. Germany are losing hundreds of life's a day, while in the meantime the UK has administrated 23 million doses (not sure the ratio of those that were AstraZeneca) and not recorded a single fatality or adverse reaction and are seeing infection rates / deaths drop. I can understand caution under normal circumstances, but nothing is normal right now.

Well, you see fifty years a few thousand birth defects occurred because one drug was approved too fast. Therefore millions now have to needlessly die while perfectly good vaccines go stale.

Re: Germany pauses AstraZeneca vaccinations as a 'precaution'

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Post by s_dev »

giantandroids wrote: post #8

You do have to wonder if some of this is politically driven. Germany are losing hundreds of life's a day, while in the meantime the UK has administrated 23 million doses (not sure the ratio of those that were AstraZeneca) and not recorded a single fatality or adverse reaction and are seeing infection rates / deaths drop. I can understand caution under normal circumstances, but nothing is normal right now.

It's entirely possible a facility is producing vaccine that isn't up to QA standards i.e. a bad batch.

The Irish reasoning for suspending AZ wasn't just because of blood clots but blood clots in the brain which have a completley different severity.

Re: Germany pauses AstraZeneca vaccinations as a 'precaution'

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Post by oezi »

throaway_484888 wrote: post #12
dash2 wrote: post #3

This seems like a case where the precautionary principle is misleading. Maybe there's a small chance that the vaccine can be harmful for a few people. Meanwhile there's a large chance that not having the vaccine can increase your chance of getting COVID. Doesn't even a week's delay in vaccinating predictably increase the number of deaths in a country, perhaps by a large amount given the nonlinear dynamics of epidemic…

> I'm assuming that these decisions aren't political and are genuinely being taken for medical reasons. I mean, I sure hope so. It's the EU's punishment for the UK leaving. I don't think anyone really thinks otherwise.

The EU is punishing itself?

- AstraZeneka is part swedish.

- The vaccine is approved and the contracts are signed. No money back for adverse effects.

Re: Germany pauses AstraZeneca vaccinations as a 'precaution'

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Post by yayr »

greenpresident wrote: post #4
pixiemaster wrote: post #2

with ~300 deaths per day in germany, how many people will this kill?

Casual estimates are at 1700/week. https://mobile.twitter.com/politicsforali/status/13714790084...

this does not seem to be official

the usual figure now is 5 Million vaccinations and 30 reported deaths from blood clotting. Which appears to be not much different from the number without vaccinations.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/oxford-astrazeneca-vaccin...

Re: Germany pauses AstraZeneca vaccinations as a 'precaution'

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Post by dazc »

maxerickson wrote: post #10

It seems the rate of these conditions isn't any different for the vaccinated than for the population (last bit of the article makes this point). What's the thought process here?

EU leaders shooting themselves in the foot? Not sure what thought goes into that scenario other than none at all?

WHO say no evidence of any risk https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56404542

Re: Germany pauses AstraZeneca vaccinations as a 'precaution'

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Post by onetimemanytime »

fasteddie31003 wrote: post #9

The pandemic has made me believe we need to be greater consiquentalists in our polices. It's pretty obvious that on the whole the AstraZeneca vax will save more people than are killed from the side effects. We don't not live in a 0 risk existence.

Ummmm....we can wait and get another vaccine? The vaccine is done on HEALTHY people, we're not talking about meds on terminal stage cancer patients with nothing to lose.

Re: Germany pauses AstraZeneca vaccinations as a 'precaution'

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Post by DoingIsLearning »

jonplackett wrote: post #5

Maybe AZ should have charged €3 per shot instead of €2 and spent the extra € on a PR agency. They just seem to be constantly taking a hammering in the press, unfairly I’d say.

To be fair, I think the contract between AZ and Oxford University actually restricts them from making a profit for a period of N months/years.

So they are only technically allowed to adjust the price to take into account the different operational costs depending on the manufacturing site.

Re: Germany pauses AstraZeneca vaccinations as a 'precaution'

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Post by johnnycerberus »

Judging by what the German press is writing nowadays about their politicans, especially the populists (and the unionists also) that are increasingly frustrated on the incapability of Germany (and the EU altogether) to handle the COVID situation and deliver a homemade vaccine, without the help of the USA and UK, it doesn't surprise me. It could be politically.

Re: Germany pauses AstraZeneca vaccinations as a 'precaution'

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Post by dustinmoris »

1. Hype up a virus to create a pandemic of fear

2. Hype up fear against the vaccine which would get you out of the pandemic of fear

3. Impose the most outrageous and ridiculous restrictions on people's lives which make it even illegal to see your own family.

4. Control by fear

Anyone who still follows restrictions is not worthy of life.

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