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What's the point of having a better looking scar if you're more likely to get colon cancer? Also, given that study itself measured Iron and B12, supplementing Iron and B12 may help scar healing w/o the (red) meat eating downside.
Unless iron is the source of the (red) meat eating downside.
I wanted so see the effect sizes not just p values which are unhelpful. But if the vegans are all vitamin b12 deficient, it’s not a surprise their health has consequences.
And my other question is, is there self selection going on. People who go to hospitals have worse outcomes than people who don’t, so the best thing to do is to avoid hospitals. P I’d really like to read the article to see if they considered these things.
What's the point of having a better looking scar if you're more likely to get colon cancer? Also, given that study itself measured Iron and B12, supplementing Iron and B12 may help scar healing w/o the (red) meat eating downside.
> This study suggests that a vegan diet may negatively influence the outcome of surgical scars. This is unusually damning to veganism-as-it-is-practiced if not to veganism itself. It would be interesting to see these results across a wide range of diets.
One of several motte-and-bailey tactics used by vegans is going from “Veganism is healthy” To “Veganism can be healthy if you exercise an impressive amount of restraint, discipline, and judgement in your vegan diet”
Meanwhile, I know lots of people who have given up on vegan diets because they felt like their health was declining, even with regular exercise. I'm sure with enough care and nutritional science they could have gotten it to work. But it's so much easier to just add some animal products to your diet.
What's the point of having a better looking scar if you're more likely to get colon cancer? Also, given that study itself measured Iron and B12, supplementing Iron and B12 may help scar healing w/o the (red) meat eating downside.
Attributing colon cancer to meat is, it turns out, complete bullshit, just like most other nonsense anti-meat fear-mongering (uric acid, cholesterol, etc.).
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Attributing colon cancer to meat is, it turns out, complete bullshit, just like most other nonsense anti-meat fear-mongering (uric acid, cholesterol, etc.).
I'm not familiar with the data either way, so am reading to learn; why do you say it's bullshit?
It was being claimed as a truth to rebut the implications a peer reviewed study, but without any data to support it.
> This study suggests that a vegan diet may negatively influence the outcome of surgical scars. This is unusually damning to veganism-as-it-is-practiced if not to veganism itself. It would be interesting to see these results across a wide range of diets.
I don't think a sample size of 21 is especially damning. Nor do I think that the study's authors would come to that conclusion either.
Glycine is one of the relevant aminos that is very suboptimal or even scarce in vegetarian and vegan diets. It is also going to be one of the important (and likely most common) limiting factors in tissue repair.
Proline is also needed for collagen production, but not as deficient in Glycine as far as vegetarian diets. Glycine is also highly water soluble and a small molecule; it is constantly lost in urine. The need for glycine goes way beyond collagen production. It is essential for so many biological functions.
Glycine is not considered an "essential amino" because the body produces glycine itself, hence it is overlooked by many. It turns out the body produces only enough to usually barely scrape by. My guess is if another group of vegans were given Glycine (at around 4 to 5 grams/day) supplementation the disadvantage relative to omnivores would be erased.
> This study suggests that a vegan diet may negatively influence the outcome of surgical scars. This is unusually damning to veganism-as-it-is-practiced if not to veganism itself. It would be interesting to see these results across a wide range of diets.
I also smelled once a vegan cake. It's a medical miracle they can survive on such a diet.