Firing someone for a "lack of chemistry" and refusing to give details is a Grade A dick move.
And maybe a recipe for a lawsuit here in the US. The only female developer? It looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck.
Four times I felt discriminated against for being a female developer
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#22Oh, come on! Dozens of threads and thousands of comments for the weekly Dr. Seuss pearl-clutching. But mentioning that, on occasion, tech orgs are shitty to women is immediately flagged?
Whose the snowflake that can’t take any criticism and wants to stop others from seeing it here?
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#23Firing someone for a "lack of chemistry" and refusing to give details is a Grade A dick move.
Honestly, not really. It sucks, but from a risk management perspective, less information given out is always better. Was she fired for legit reasons? Who knows. There is no advantage to the employer to give reasons. You can't really blame anyone for trying not to be sued.
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#24>I have never considered that “having chemistry with the team” could be a reason for being let go. That's what worries me too. I like to throw a racist jokes, especially about my own nation from time to time and I guess I'd have hard time in corpos and companies like faang because polacks tend to lack of thick skin /s
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#25Here's another anecdote about how female engineers are sometimes used to "balance" their team: https://twitter.com/SeaRyanC/status/1367191778386829312
Unfortunate, BUT how many engineers/people are placed on teams they have no interest in?
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#26> I was even madder when I found the data science interns hired in a parallel recruitment process had been submitted to technical challenges. That's the miracle of "affirmative action" or whatever you want to call it. When looking at candidates internally, if a company decides to do affirmative action there are those that you know are there because of their skills (non-diverse individuals) and there are the other one…
> Some places I've even seen a "diversity quota" for tech recruiters that's tied to a bonus.
It makes sense if you want to increase diversity to have the beginning of the funnel get lots of diverse candidates in. The recruiter is not a decision maker in most places, so the hiring bar is not necessarily affected by whether the recruiter got more diversity candidates into the funnel or not.
As an example, in my experience there were not a lot of female candidate resumes coming in via normal channels. If the recruiter wants a bonus for increasing gender diversity, they are doing extra work to go and find female candidates and convincing them to apply. That is probably exactly what you want to be happening.
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#27> I was even madder when I found the data science interns hired in a parallel recruitment process had been submitted to technical challenges. That's the miracle of "affirmative action" or whatever you want to call it. When looking at candidates internally, if a company decides to do affirmative action there are those that you know are there because of their skills (non-diverse individuals) and there are the other one…
> there are those that you know are there because of their skills (non-diverse individuals) and there are the other ones.
Wow this is not at all correct based on my experience.
It is so common for "non-diverse individuals" to have gotten where they are based on things like network that I really don't think you can tell just by looking at someone.
The worst developers I have worked with are often traditional "non-diverse" candidates.
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#28> This is an example of how methods to empower women, when wrongly applied, can have the opposite effect, making them feel even more insecure and powerless.
The soft bigotry of low expectations and affirmative action rears its ugly head yet again.
Hire people of all races, genders and creeds based on _merit_, not diversity quotas. No one should have to show up to work feeling like a second class citizen and that they're only there because of their sex or the color of their skin.
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#29> I was even madder when I found the data science interns hired in a parallel recruitment process had been submitted to technical challenges. That's the miracle of "affirmative action" or whatever you want to call it. When looking at candidates internally, if a company decides to do affirmative action there are those that you know are there because of their skills (non-diverse individuals) and there are the other one…
You don't have to ask yourself that, you can just accept that the people who you work with will usually be out of your control and respect their skills separately from what they look like. If they suck, then they suck, but don't prejudge because you think diversity hiring is rampant everywhere, which it is not.
> who you work with will usually be out of your control and respect their skills
Unless you're in a small company with a substantial ownership stake, not only should you accept the reality of this but also accept that dealing with it is part of your job. Making the best of the team and resources available is part of the job description.
If given the reins of the hiring process, a given developer could not do a better job filling out company's a roster.
The company has made decisions. Unless you were consulted on those decisions, your opinions aren't desired. Most of the time, your helping of those decisions' consequences will be inline with your responsibility for them: nil (scapegoating happens and shit rolls downhill, but I'd argue both are necessarily rare).
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#30>“Carl is a difficult person to work with. But I trust in you to accomplish this. You will use your feminine approach and you’ll be fine.”
What's wrong with feminine approach?
People use this kind of wording especially when it comes to design
- e.g room, or outfit, generally those things that are considered as a areas where women are way better, so?
>That social networks can involve as much technology as any video game and that actually Facebook was one of the most influential tech companies of the last ten years?
How's that relevant?
People don't learn coding during Facebooking, unlike games where it's way more probable.