I was really hoping this was about wood frame house construction.
I was hoping it was about displaying artwork.
My dad owned a picture framing shop for decades. I wondered why such an article would be on HN.
Framing 101
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Framing is a tool - it can be used for bad or good. You can use it to reframe an explanation in terms that your audience will understand more intuitively, or you can spin bad news to sound either unimportant or positive. For what it's worth, reframing your thoughts is an important practice in improving your mindset, and thus many aspects of mental health.
Or in other words: how to manipulate people into believing irrational bullshit. I can't see how this has any benefits for society.
Nice straw man.
Convincing someone that the earth is flat is changing their perspective, but so is convincing them that flat earth is bullshit. People aren't rational by default, they need convincing.
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#23I took a class in college on cognitive linguistics taught about that last couple of decades of cognitive science research around framing. The field that we studied was relatively small so we became familiar with the major researchers in the field. The major figure was George Lakoff.
These people claim to use a proprietary method called Strategic Frame Analysis. I was curious to see if I recognized any names under the "People" section. I don't. As far as I can tell, they seem to be disconnected from the research project that I studied in college. I'm curious to know more about the political dynamic behind this. Is this a parallel research project? Do they have their own theoretical framework that was developed in parallel to Lakoff and others?
Looking at their history section, it looked like this was started by someone named Susan Nall Bales, who developed a method of "applying framing research", but it doesn't appear like she has any training in a discipline involved in "framing research". What research is being applied exactly?
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or in other words: how to manipulate people into believing irrational bullshit. I can't see how this has any benefits for society.
Nice straw man. Convincing someone that the earth is flat is changing their perspective, but so is convincing them that flat earth is bullshit. People aren't rational by default, they need convincing.
Sad but true....
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#25How did this make it to the top of HN?
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#26I took a class in college on cognitive linguistics taught about that last couple of decades of cognitive science research around framing. The field that we studied was relatively small so we became familiar with the major researchers in the field. The major figure was George Lakoff. These people claim to use a proprietary method called Strategic Frame Analysis. I was curious to see if I recognized any names under the…
George Lakoff's Metaphors We Live By is one of my favorite books. It's a great reminder about how powerful words can be at subliminally guiding our thoughts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphors_We_Live_By
Since the predominant implicit metaphor behind "argument" is battle/war/conflict, we intuit that there must be a "winner" and that we must "defeat" the "opponent" and other nasty implications. Because of this I often make explicit when I converse that I'm engaging in a "collaborative exploration" and not an fight about who is right.
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#27"Sleight of Mouth" is a great resource for anyone who wants to learn more about NLP techniques like framing. > Perhaps the most fundamental goal of applying the verbal patterns of Sleight of Mouth is to help people to shift their perspective 1) from a problem frame to an outcome frame, 2) from a failure frame to a feedback frame, and 3) from an impossibility frame to an ‘as if’ frame. (An "as if" frame is where you i…
I hope you don't mean this NLP: > Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) is a pseudoscientific approach to communication, personal development, and psychotherapy created by Richard Bandler and John Grinder in California, United States, in the 1970s. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming
Even though there's definitely a pop psychology element to the book, I did take away some practical and useful advice. I see it as a spiritual sequel to "How to Win Friends and Influence People."
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#28I was really hoping this was about wood frame house construction.
Same. Then I decided that couldn’t be it, it must be about creating software frameworks. And, lo, I was wrong a second time.
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#29"Sleight of Mouth" is a great resource for anyone who wants to learn more about NLP techniques like framing. > Perhaps the most fundamental goal of applying the verbal patterns of Sleight of Mouth is to help people to shift their perspective 1) from a problem frame to an outcome frame, 2) from a failure frame to a feedback frame, and 3) from an impossibility frame to an ‘as if’ frame. (An "as if" frame is where you i…
I hope you don't mean this NLP: > Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) is a pseudoscientific approach to communication, personal development, and psychotherapy created by Richard Bandler and John Grinder in California, United States, in the 1970s. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming
Did you detect the framing in that sentence? :)
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#30I have found the concept of Framing to be immensely valuable in my personal life.
I’d advise anyone who wants to be a better communicator to learn a little bit about it.