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The Web’s Missing Interoperability

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Re: The Web’s Missing Interoperability

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Post by jefftk »

olivermarks wrote: post #19

Seeing Tim O'Reilly speaking at one of his web 2.0 summits around 2009 about the urgency of preventing a few companies/people monopolizing everything comes into my mind regularly when I see tech monopolist oligarchs swaggering around and being feted by a fawning media. We ignored the need to regulate to enable open innovation and interoperability and allowed walled gardens of unprecedented size to be imposed on small…

As the OP points out, the regulation that we are getting, so far, benefits these walled gardens by prioritizing privacy over interoperability.

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

gowld wrote: post #10
bronikowski wrote: post #4

> One of the reasons why GDPR is such a disaster is that it makes it all but impossible for a new social media company to ever be started in Europe Maybe we don't need more "social media companies" of the type that GDPR is "a disaster" for.

Some people like to socialize with each other.

Do these people also like to be tracked all the time and have their data sold to third parties who use that data to manipulate the people?

Re: The Web’s Missing Interoperability

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Post by olivermarks »

jefftk wrote: post #21
olivermarks wrote: post #19

Seeing Tim O'Reilly speaking at one of his web 2.0 summits around 2009 about the urgency of preventing a few companies/people monopolizing everything comes into my mind regularly when I see tech monopolist oligarchs swaggering around and being feted by a fawning media. We ignored the need to regulate to enable open innovation and interoperability and allowed walled gardens of unprecedented size to be imposed on small…

As the OP points out, the regulation that we are getting, so far, benefits these walled gardens by prioritizing privacy over interoperability.

Yes it's actually getting a lot worse!

Had a long discussion the other day about Amazon and where we went wrong as a society. Short version, Amazon should have been regulated to facilitate existing small specialist businesses supply chain and delivery, not directly compete with them and force them out of business. Amazon should have been fulfilling orders on behalf of mom & pop's knitting supply, not undercutting them and cutting them out. This is incredibly damaging to the tax base as most taxes are paid by small businesses. Now we have a pandemic where the big box stores and online retailers remain open while the mom & pops are closed and going bust. It's a slow moving economic disaster IMO

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Post by ricree »

anderspitman wrote: post #7

In my opinion the way to enter the social network market is using the Slack/Discord approach. Rather than trying to make a better Facebook for the world, make a better Facebook for people to use for their specific community or company, and then make it easy to tie your account to multiple communities, and then (maybe) start connecting communities. I almost achieved escape velocity with Matrix/Riot in my gaming group…

>make a better Facebook for people to use for their specific community or company, and then make it easy to tie your account to multiple communities, and then (maybe) start connecting communities.

Which, of course, was precisely how Facebook broke into the social network market in the first place.

Initially not just for college students, but students at specific colleges. Then connecting students between college, then bringing in family members of those students, and so on.

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anderspitman wrote: post #7

In my opinion the way to enter the social network market is using the Slack/Discord approach. Rather than trying to make a better Facebook for the world, make a better Facebook for people to use for their specific community or company, and then make it easy to tie your account to multiple communities, and then (maybe) start connecting communities. I almost achieved escape velocity with Matrix/Riot in my gaming group…

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Post by tguedes »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #25

> The cause is Apple: its approach to cookies makes platform-based web storefronts increasingly difficult to monetize effectively Can anyone explain this? I'm not sure what they are referring to.

He means Shopify. Shopify merchants (and other DTC companies) heavily use Facebook/Instagram to target the specific audience they are targeting. Shopify has since announced that there will be a tighter integration with Facebook Shops

Re: The Web’s Missing Interoperability

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Post by IggleSniggle »

sbazerque wrote: post #16
crazypython wrote: post #15

See also: Semantic web. RDF, OWL, https://solidproject.org/TR/protocol . It's the original intent of Tim-Berners Lee, the man who invented the web.

In my view the lack of authentication in the original semantic web concept made it a SEO gaming vector for years and years. Knowing who to trust is as hard a problem as basic understanding / semantics.

Trust is a harder problem than basic understanding / semantics, because it requires basic understanding / semantics as a prerequisite.

You might trust your banker with your money but not your personal life, and trust your friend with your personal life but not your bank account.

Therefore, you there must be explicit and implicit degrees of trust that are specifically trust "for some intention" or at even just "for some specific purpose." And then, you must trust that the meaning of any promise or guarantee is equivalent between parties.

Re: The Web’s Missing Interoperability

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Post by jdminhbg »

rektide wrote: post #14

a huge part of this article is about clubhouse & social networks means for virality, about how they can expand. taking contacts & pushing to them is the kind of main model that Clubhouse is doing. > I get the argument around banning contact exports; unsurprisingly, there are calls that Apple do exactly that in the wake of Clubhouse’s rise (never mind the fact that contacts have been accessible — and thus have been ac…

> what seems awkward, missing, to me is that all these virality systems are push model. each would be social network has to bootstrap, and it does it by making new users push a bunch of invites out to their friends.

> where is the pull model? where can I go see my friend Cable's activity, see what networks he is most social on these days? Instagram posts to Twitter are mentioned in the article, but that's such a special purpose form, such a one off, made in part possible by the very general share-whatever nature of twitter.

Clubhouse actually is both push and pull. Yes, you can send invites to friends to get them onto the app, but having your contacts also lets them connect you to those already there when you first log on.

Of course this isn't the open pull model you're talking about, where I can discover new things my friend is doing, or find out where he is most active. But using the phone number as an identifier for social graphs is kind of a hack around the non-existence of such a thing.

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