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Re: Customers want to know why Amazon removed Clarence Thomas documentary

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes you could ignore what he actually said and try to construct a narrative that doesn't sound bad. But, isn't that a lot more complicated than just listening to what he actually said? To be more direct, myself and many other people aren't going to play that game. The only people that would are people who have a narrative in mind in advance and are going to find a way to justify it post hoc.

It is more complicated, but that's how communication works; most people do not mean anything close to the literal wording they use -- "Nobody goes there anymore, it’s too crowded". If you refuse to "play that game", then you get to be offended a lot more often, but you will also have to draw a distinction between how you understand communication from in-group and out-group, which seems to me to be even more complicat…

> you will also have to draw a distinction between how you understand communication from in-group and out-group

Holy projection, Batman!

What you are saying is that in order to fully understand what Biden means when he says "you ain't black if you don't vote for me", we have to search for a meaning for this that puts Biden in the best possible light while still maintaining a modicum of plausibility.

Meanwhile, to take an example of understanding communication from the out-group, when Trump says "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard" what he really meant was "let's go burn the Capitol down and murder everyone we can find, and also overthrow the government lol!1!1!!1!!!!". And we know that's what he meant because we have to search for the worst possible meaning of his words, and throw that modicum of plausibility right out the window. Then blame Trump for breaking the window.

But to you this is the less "complicated" way of understanding communication from the in-group and the out-group?

All anm89 is proposing is to just listen to what both men said. The same. For both of them. But this is what you're calling too complicated?

Re: Customers want to know why Amazon removed Clarence Thomas documentary

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is more complicated, but that's how communication works; most people do not mean anything close to the literal wording they use -- "Nobody goes there anymore, it’s too crowded". If you refuse to "play that game", then you get to be offended a lot more often, but you will also have to draw a distinction between how you understand communication from in-group and out-group, which seems to me to be even more complicat…

> you will also have to draw a distinction between how you understand communication from in-group and out-group Holy projection, Batman! What you are saying is that in order to fully understand what Biden means when he says "you ain't black if you don't vote for me", we have to search for a meaning for this that puts Biden in the best possible light while still maintaining a modicum of plausibility. Meanwhile, to tak…

> What you are saying is that in order to fully understand what Biden means when he says "you ain't black if you don't vote for me", we have to search for a meaning for this that puts Biden in the best possible light while still maintaining a modicum of plausibility.

Your post is kind of a case of exactly what I mean, for sure, given that I don't at all agree with what you claim I am saying!

But I would note that you reworded the "quote" from Biden to make it more clearly what you believe he meant, when the actual quote is right there a few comments up.

Re: Customers want to know why Amazon removed Clarence Thomas documentary

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is more complicated, but that's how communication works; most people do not mean anything close to the literal wording they use -- "Nobody goes there anymore, it’s too crowded". If you refuse to "play that game", then you get to be offended a lot more often, but you will also have to draw a distinction between how you understand communication from in-group and out-group, which seems to me to be even more complicat…

> you will also have to draw a distinction between how you understand communication from in-group and out-group Holy projection, Batman! What you are saying is that in order to fully understand what Biden means when he says "you ain't black if you don't vote for me", we have to search for a meaning for this that puts Biden in the best possible light while still maintaining a modicum of plausibility. Meanwhile, to tak…

Please stop taking HN threads further into flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Customers want to know why Amazon removed Clarence Thomas documentary

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Simple minded here. The fact that we don't know why Amazon pulled Clarence Thomas' documentary is problematic. Amazon seems too large to be pushed around against it's will. The continued speculation is understandable due to the lack of transparency. It would seem an honest company, presumably like Amazon, one of if not the largest company in the world, would have the courage of it's convictions and if they chose to pull it, to simply acknowledge the truth as to why. And if on the other hand there are extenuating circumstances why not state their are, even if for reasons of prudent corporate governance, they must not divulge those details. I, for one apparently lonely long time Prime supporter, would appreciate this level of transparency.

Re: Customers want to know why Amazon removed Clarence Thomas documentary

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Amazon and Amazon Prime have been very valuable recources to date. Perhaps, one of the reasons they have grown to such immense size. However, not to suggest I am enough alone able to influence them to speak up but better this tack than joining the undue or cancel crowd. Open mic is better.

Re: Customers want to know why Amazon removed Clarence Thomas documentary

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you will also have to draw a distinction between how you understand communication from in-group and out-group Holy projection, Batman! What you are saying is that in order to fully understand what Biden means when he says "you ain't black if you don't vote for me", we have to search for a meaning for this that puts Biden in the best possible light while still maintaining a modicum of plausibility. Meanwhile, to tak…

Please stop taking HN threads further into flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Frankly I think you replied to the wrong comment here, probably because you disagree with my views and not the other commenters' views. I did not turn the conversation primarily to interpreting Biden's remarks. That was tangential to my original on-topic (but downvoted and flagged because wrongthink) comment.

I am no doubt guilty of responding with undue incredulity to some hard-to-understand claims in the ensuing off-topic thread. But if you feel that the thread has descended into flamewar, you should look at who turned the conversation to flamewar topics, and it was not me.

How about in the future I endeavor not to continue flamewar topics, and you endeavor not to blame the whole thread on the first non-leftist commenter in the thread, eh? Seems fair.

Re: Customers want to know why Amazon removed Clarence Thomas documentary

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please stop taking HN threads further into flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Frankly I think you replied to the wrong comment here, probably because you disagree with my views and not the other commenters' views. I did not turn the conversation primarily to interpreting Biden's remarks. That was tangential to my original on-topic (but downvoted and flagged because wrongthink) comment. I am no doubt guilty of responding with undue incredulity to some hard-to-understand claims in the ensuing of…

You started the flamewar upthread.

It always feels like the mods are against you. I don't even know what your views are—that's not the filter through which I read comments like this. There's too much quantity to work through and it's not energy-efficient to do that.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

Re: Customers want to know why Amazon removed Clarence Thomas documentary

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Frankly I think you replied to the wrong comment here, probably because you disagree with my views and not the other commenters' views. I did not turn the conversation primarily to interpreting Biden's remarks. That was tangential to my original on-topic (but downvoted and flagged because wrongthink) comment. I am no doubt guilty of responding with undue incredulity to some hard-to-understand claims in the ensuing of…

You started the flamewar upthread. It always feels like the mods are against you. I don't even know what your views are—that's not the filter through which I read comments like this. There's too much quantity to work through and it's not energy-efficient to do that. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

I would appreciate if you could indicate which comment you feel started the flamewar. I'm sure this is where we disagree.

And it's rather naive to believe you don't read all comments through the filter of your own worldview.

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