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Opinion: We’ll Have Herd Immunity by April

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Re: Opinion: We’ll Have Herd Immunity by April

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While I'd love to believe that herd immunity is almost here or the vaccine is effectively stopping the spread already, I think the biggest reason for the drop in new cases as well as the drop in active cases can be summed up in a single word. Christmas. Or more broadly the holiday season.

It's absolutely true that new cases are dropping and active cases are dropping as well but if you look at active cases everything peaked about a month after Christmas to the end of Jan before starting to decline this month. Easter is coming up on April 4th. If enough people have the vaccine + enough people have gotten it to cause herd immunity then active cases will continue to drop throughout March and April. But if the holidays are the main cause for this to spread (as in people ignore the "rules" and intermingle with non-household members as the holidays encourage) I predict another wave in April. The wave hopefully will at least be less severe then the Christmas wave was, but I do think the planet isn't out of the water yet.

Re: Opinion: We’ll Have Herd Immunity by April

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I wonder if Humanity will shut itself out of existence if we start counting every single pathology on that affects Humans on big banners and "social-media-fy" it. I mean, there were 3x more deaths by overdose in SF than by Covid. There are 2x more deaths in India by TB, and a lot more from malnutrition and poverty. Why are the Americans doing this propaganda op ? Ionnidis' latest paper even points to lockdowns not be…

Excess deaths are measurably up from this pathology, and we can continue working on those problems too. Unfortunately, there’s little overlap between preventions or treatments for drug addiction and infectious disease.

Re: Opinion: We’ll Have Herd Immunity by April

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I wonder if Humanity will shut itself out of existence if we start counting every single pathology on that affects Humans on big banners and "social-media-fy" it. I mean, there were 3x more deaths by overdose in SF than by Covid. There are 2x more deaths in India by TB, and a lot more from malnutrition and poverty. Why are the Americans doing this propaganda op ? Ionnidis' latest paper even points to lockdowns not be…

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Re: Opinion: We’ll Have Herd Immunity by April

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> Herd immunity has been well-documented in the Brazilian city of Manaus, where researchers in the Lancet reported the prevalence of prior Covid-19 infection to be 76%, resulting in a significant slowing of the infection.

What, the linked study proves the opposite. A massive amount of death in Manaus in 2021, despite 'herd immunity' measured in October 2020. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...

> Some medical experts privately agreed with my prediction that there may be very little Covid-19 by April but suggested that I not to talk publicly about herd immunity because people might become complacent and fail to take precautions or might decline the vaccine. But scientists shouldn’t try to manipulate the public by hiding the truth.

Does he hear himself? You can't really liken wild guesses that lead to complacency/death as hiding the truth. It sounds like this guy should really stick to surgery.

Re: Opinion: We’ll Have Herd Immunity by April

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I wonder if Humanity will shut itself out of existence if we start counting every single pathology on that affects Humans on big banners and "social-media-fy" it. I mean, there were 3x more deaths by overdose in SF than by Covid. There are 2x more deaths in India by TB, and a lot more from malnutrition and poverty. Why are the Americans doing this propaganda op ? Ionnidis' latest paper even points to lockdowns not be…

Again this idiotic discourse that doesn't understand that letting a pandemic spread unchecked across the world has huge risks even beyond the obvious death toll.

Covid19, even with the current measures, has killed more people than TB worldwide in 2020. Those deaths are often in addition to those killed by TB, overdose, and most other diseases you care to pick. It has let countless other people with chronic symptoms of varying severity, possibly for the rest of their lives.

Ioannidis has a bone to pick ever since his first paper on the topic was proven wrong, and he keeps digging deeper. His papers have been very low quality, with obvious holes even for a layman, like choosing to measure the effectiveness of lockdowns only in countries with known implementation problems (USA, UK, Sweden, Netherlands and a few others) while ignoring the countries that have not seen almost any cases of disease by comparison (Vietnam, Australia, NZ), as well as alternatives to lockdowns that have worked wonders, such as Taiwan.

Re: Opinion: We’ll Have Herd Immunity by April

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post #21

While I'd love to believe that herd immunity is almost here or the vaccine is effectively stopping the spread already, I think the biggest reason for the drop in new cases as well as the drop in active cases can be summed up in a single word. Christmas. Or more broadly the holiday season. It's absolutely true that new cases are dropping and active cases are dropping as well but if you look at active cases everything…

At least in the US St. Patrick’s Day would be the obvious next bar crawly, hangout type event, before Easter.

Re: Opinion: We’ll Have Herd Immunity by April

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I really want to see positive news, and the vaccination rollout (despite how uneven it is) is definitely positive. But the focus on herd immunity, if conflated with immunity after infection, is misleading: Look at what's happening in Manaus: https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n394 The news there are definitely sobering :( Unfortunately, the multiplication of strains of covid19 was inevitable, due to the decision of…

AFAICS this isn’t talked about enough! If lockdowns were taken seriously from the start, it would had prevented going wild and risking new strains. But here we are

Re: Opinion: We’ll Have Herd Immunity by April

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I mean thats a nice theory. The first broad point: infections are decreasing. I suspect that this might not always be because we are reaching "herd immunity". It could just be a side effect of stats. Also Vaccines in the USA will target the people who are likely to get tested. In the UK infections are decreasing because we are in a harsh lockdown. The vaccine show little to no effect _yet_ (unlike israel) As for the…

> “In the UK infections are decreasing because we are in a harsh lockdown. The vaccine show little to no effect _yet_”

UK data does suggest that the vaccination campaign is having an effect: hospital admission rates have been dropping more sharply than infection rates.

No doubt the lockdown has reduced infection rates, but there are also seasonal factors. As the weather warms up, people spend more time outdoors, windows are opened for better ventilation, etc. Covid rates will naturally drop in spring for the same reasons that cold and flu do.

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