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Introducing schema.org: Search engines come together for a richer web

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Re: Introducing schema.org: Search engines come together for a richer web

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Post by c4urself »

juiceandjuice wrote: post #11
rauljara wrote: post #3

All I could think while reading through the getting started was: that is an awful lot of added text. After a little more thought: that is an awful lot of added work. And while it won't be hard to have tools that make the process easier, the sort of work that goes into adding that data can never be completely automated (otherwise, we would have no need for it). Given that all the search engines will be using it, all m…

I was just thinking about how I could actually see this being really awesome with something like Django.

Won't take long for someone to make a list of django models for each type

Re: Introducing schema.org: Search engines come together for a richer web

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Post by seanp2k »

ryanisinallofus wrote: post #17

This is going to sound curmudgeonry but it is seems like one more way search engines want to use your data without giving you the page view. It makes allot of technical sense and I can imagine some really great ways to use this data but in the end I guess I would just need to ask "what's in it for us- the content providers?"

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_D_Z-D2tzi14/S8Tdnn-NE0I/AAAAAAAACw...

Re: Introducing schema.org: Search engines come together for a richer web

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Post by seanp2k »

netgineer wrote: post #8

For a site put together by search engines, the URL structure for the site search is atrocious. "#q=Product" and not "?q=Product"? Who thought that was a good idea? Site also looks a bit like spam. Needs more Firefox-esk awesome graphics, imo.

Yeah, this seems like a lot more stupid work and it'll also make your site easier to scrape for blog network content stealing SEO dipshits.

Re: Introducing schema.org: Search engines come together for a richer web

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Post by Loic »

For most of my "quick searches", I already have the answer from within the search results listing. It looks like it will go one step further, we are not going to have to leave the results page to have complex answers.

I am not sure if I want to provide all my hard work in a format which will maybe help the search engines a bit, but mainly the spammers a lot as they will be able to automate the creation of content farms even more.

Mixed feelings... all the world data in a well structured format is a wonder but at the same time, what will be the incentives to create such an easy to digest content if the world at the end do not even know you are the one how produced it?

Kind of the old media against new media dilemma but applied to the new media. Interesting.

Re: Introducing schema.org: Search engines come together for a richer web

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Post by PaulHoule »

if they actually wanted people to use this they'd write better documentation.

if I picked 10 web devs off sitepoint and instructed them to add 10 assertions to an HTML page and didn't give them a validator, I'd be amazed if more than 3 got 80% of them right.

i like the taxonomy though, but honestly i think instances are much more interesting than types... rather than saying "George Washington" a :US_President, can't we say "George Washington" is :George_Washington where :George_Washington is his identifier in Freebase?

Re: Introducing schema.org: Search engines come together for a richer web

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Post by jfoutz »

seanp2k wrote: post #22
ryanisinallofus wrote: post #17

This is going to sound curmudgeonry but it is seems like one more way search engines want to use your data without giving you the page view. It makes allot of technical sense and I can imagine some really great ways to use this data but in the end I guess I would just need to ask "what's in it for us- the content providers?"

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_D_Z-D2tzi14/S8Tdnn-NE0I/AAAAAAAACw...

there is only one l in alot.

Re: Introducing schema.org: Search engines come together for a richer web

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Post by jfoutz »

ryanisinallofus wrote: post #17

This is going to sound curmudgeonry but it is seems like one more way search engines want to use your data without giving you the page view. It makes allot of technical sense and I can imagine some really great ways to use this data but in the end I guess I would just need to ask "what's in it for us- the content providers?"

Ideally, you can predicate your search on metadata. It would greatly simplify my searches for volcanoes with a 4 star or better rating.

Re: Introducing schema.org: Search engines come together for a richer web

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Post by izendejas »

Assuming that authoritative sites, at least, don't abuse these schemas, this will help all search engines and data mining/nlp researchers build better models. The biggest gain isn't quick view of search results, it's that now search results will be better in general because Google et al will now understand if a page is really about a person and in many cases, who specifically it is about to point out a specific example.

Information extraction, just got that much easier. Hello, baby semantic web.

Re: Introducing schema.org: Search engines come together for a richer web

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Post by izendejas »

ciex wrote: post #9

The question remains: Who needs this? I am still not really convinced that it is possible to integrate handcoded schemas for a wide range of use cases into search results in a meaningful way. The solution Google proposes here will also restrain the content of websites in a lot of ways if it becomes widely adopted. Look at the recipes-example, it defines markup for including nutrition information for recipes: "Can con…

As I point out elsewhere, machine learners and NLP researchers need this. This could offer tons of manually labeled training data.
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