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Re: Short fat engineers are undervalued

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The article itself isn't about this but one could theorize that the headline taken literally is also likely true.

Some clicking on google scholar shows academic literature supports the claim at least with regard to height. Maybe someone can find similar articles with weight (I couldn't find anything)

https://psycnet.apa.org/buy/2004-95165-004

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00288309

Re: Short fat engineers are undervalued

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In my career, I have met exactly one short fat engineer with >5yrs of exp that I was impressed by. That person is now a Product Manager at a FAANG company (albeit PM-ing highly technical stuff).

I bring this up because I think there is a very good analogy to the point that the author is making and the distinction between PM and Engineers. Broadly put, PM's are good at figuring out the theta, and Engineers are good at the r.

I think that with the perspectives that short fat engineers have, they can play enormous roles as "PM" or "Engineering Manager", and definitely as ICs during early stages of startups. But they clearly don't enjoy depth, and this can be counter-productive for that 1% of the time where you really, really want depth.

I don't buy the knowledge vs wisdom thing though, there's plenty of wisdom to be gained from going deep into a subject. I'd actually claim that wisdom can only come from depth - though what depth means is different for different roles.

Re: Short fat engineers are undervalued

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I think this article underestimates a risk of the "short fat" information spectrum.

People who think they know something are more likely to be wrong than people who don't think they know anything on a topic. There's a "competence gap" between knowing you know nothing and actually having deep knowledge; it's the "just enough to be dangerous" zone.

Depending on how tall precisely "short fat" is, that can describe an engineer that, more often than not, makes the wrong choice because they know enough to have opinions but those opinions are raw.

Re: Short fat engineers are undervalued

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The point that "on a long enough time line, wisdom is always more valuable than knowledge" is pretty irrelevant to tech companies. They hire engineers to get stuff done quickly - not slowly gather "wisdom". The average tenure at a tech company continues to be a few years. Also, I've noticed that entry-to-mid level jobs are great for "short and fat" engineers, but once you start aiming for senior (or higher) level IC positions, job interviews require you to be an expert in whatever field the position you’re interviewing for is in. If you stay "short and fat", you're setting your career trajectory up for failure.

Re: Short fat engineers are undervalued

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Practical question: I have a short, fat resume (e.g. MechE degree, work experience in AI, UX, manufacturing, academic research, and writing). What industries/companies/roles will value this skill set the most? Where can short, fat people find opportunities?

Re: Short fat engineers are undervalued

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I guess I’m relatively fat, but not really. I’ve done a lot of surface level research/ on stuff that no one uses or really cares about.

Ive always been amazed by the “tall” devs and have one or twice (or more than I’d like to admit) tried to deep dive something always eventually giving up because I have no idea where to obtain the deeper knowledge. Perhaps more realistically, I just have a different type of fat.

Re: Short fat engineers are undervalued

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Not sure I agree. A "short fat" could theoretically be replaced by a group of "short skinny", whereas a "tall skinny" could only be replaced by another "tall skinny". As value is largely determined by scarcity (supply and demand), this would cause "short fat" to be of lower value.

It depends on how depth of knowledge is measured. One is considered an expert in a niche because they know it inside and out. But in theory, multiple people with a disjoint subset of knowledge of the niche could also be a reasonable replacement?

Re: Short fat engineers are undervalued

#30

Is it really true? A lot of companies are focusing on hiring "short fat" engineers. Especially companies having "dev ops" engineering model, where engineers must be able to work on all stages of the product lifecycle - from design, development, testing, to deployment and operations.

Devops is more of T-shaped role rather than short-fat
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