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Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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Post by ahelwer »

tinus_hn wrote: post #19
ahelwer wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Option one: Pay people to stay home, deliver them supplies & food, call them daily for medical checkup. Three weeks later everyone is free. If community spread is ever detected again, perform a similar citywide lockdown and test everyone (in a city of tens of millions of people) three times. The bureaucrat responsible for overseeing that city is fired. Option two: A year+ of half-assed rolling lockdowns with ever-rec…

Unfortunately option one is the fantasy solution that doesn’t actually work. It has been tried. It doesn’t work.

Option one is China's & Vietnam's strategy for combating the virus, which has been extremely effective. Parts of it were also implemented in nearby non-communist countries such as Taiwan.

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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Post by nradov »

ahelwer wrote: post #9
sova wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, just lock people in their apartments against their will and they cannot infect other people, genius

Option one: Pay people to stay home, deliver them supplies & food, call them daily for medical checkup. Three weeks later everyone is free. If community spread is ever detected again, perform a similar citywide lockdown and test everyone (in a city of tens of millions of people) three times. The bureaucrat responsible for overseeing that city is fired. Option two: A year+ of half-assed rolling lockdowns with ever-rec…

Pay which people to stay home? Obviously not the ones delivering supplies and food, or utilities workers, or farmers, or emergency services, or plumbers, or anyone else involved in keeping society running on a day to day basis. Your suggestion is just totally disconnected from reality.

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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Post by legulere »

> America’s distribution plan is no more fair or logical than a Soviet-style queue for cabbage.

I don't see how a capitalist distribution system (if you have money you get it earlier) is in any way more fair than a system which is based on need.

Capitalism's strength is in extracting resources and increasing production and efficiency in things there is a good market for. But it's not good at all in distributing things.

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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Post by dcolkitt »

mchusma wrote: post #5

First Dose First and approving more vaccines are the easiest answer to this question. The prioritization is not working well, for the reasons outlined in this article. However, we can give approximately 4x the rate of people getting 100% protection from ICU/death. First dose first gives you approximately 2x the throughput (all first doses from all vaccine candidates thus far are fully protective from death). Approvin…

The FDA's continual foot dragging on approving AstraZeneca is criminal. The UK has already thoroughly reviewed it and decided it was safe for approval. Is there any reason to believe that British scientists are any less competent than their American counterparts?

If the trials were successful in the UK, it's a complete waste of time to insist that they be duplicated in the US. Especially when thousands die every day. It's not like biology works different in the Western Hemisphere. This is just another example of bureaucrats flexing their power to aggrandize their own importance.

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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Post by ahelwer »

nradov wrote: post #22
ahelwer wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Option one: Pay people to stay home, deliver them supplies & food, call them daily for medical checkup. Three weeks later everyone is free. If community spread is ever detected again, perform a similar citywide lockdown and test everyone (in a city of tens of millions of people) three times. The bureaucrat responsible for overseeing that city is fired. Option two: A year+ of half-assed rolling lockdowns with ever-rec…

Pay which people to stay home? Obviously not the ones delivering supplies and food, or utilities workers, or farmers, or emergency services, or plumbers, or anyone else involved in keeping society running on a day to day basis. Your suggestion is just totally disconnected from reality.

My suggestion is literally reality in several countries. You are correct there are people who go around delivering the food & supplies or providing medical care. They are given appropriate PPE & training.

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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Post by gotoeleven »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #15
dehrmann wrote: post #3

I get it, but you've made it 11 months already, case counts are falling rapidly, spring is coming, and people getting vaccinated will drive down new cases even more. Calm down and wait another month or two.

It is hard for people to calm down when some scientific advisers to governments are telling newspapers that social distancing must last until the entire world is vaccinated, to prevent new COVID mutations, so they recommend the status quo until 2024–2026. Also, governments have handed virtually all authority over lifting lockdown to their health ministers, who generally prioritize saving every possible life above all…

I wonder what has happened to human culture worldwide that 'safety' has been given primacy over all other considerations. If hitler had invaded france in 2020 instead of 1940, would the world have united to liberate france? I'm really not sure.

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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Post by skadamou »

Oye vey. I totally understand the sentiment of this article. The vaccine roll-out in the US has been maddeningly frustrating. But could we please stop comparing everything to "communist Russia"? IMO this article is nothing more than a fluff piece meant to generate outrage and clicks. No actual reporting went into explaining why the vaccine rollout is stalled. The author instead chose to write down some unsubstantiated anecdotes and cap the story off with the specter of communism. Perhaps I am being too harsh but I find articles of this nature incredibly frustrating and corrosive to productive discourse.

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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Post by SllX »

SteveNuts wrote: post #20
mchusma wrote: post #5

First Dose First and approving more vaccines are the easiest answer to this question. The prioritization is not working well, for the reasons outlined in this article. However, we can give approximately 4x the rate of people getting 100% protection from ICU/death. First dose first gives you approximately 2x the throughput (all first doses from all vaccine candidates thus far are fully protective from death). Approvin…

How can technology help with this? What percentage of manufactured doses per week are being administered?

They already built a system in Washington to keep track of where every single dose anywhere in the country is and redistribute it as necessary.

I take the existence of this system at-all to be emblematic of the general failure of government vaccine distribution.

I’ll offer up my reasoning if asked, but I would like you to think about why I say this and what type of accounting we should actually be practicing.

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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Post by the-dude »

dcolkitt wrote: post #24
mchusma wrote: post #5

First Dose First and approving more vaccines are the easiest answer to this question. The prioritization is not working well, for the reasons outlined in this article. However, we can give approximately 4x the rate of people getting 100% protection from ICU/death. First dose first gives you approximately 2x the throughput (all first doses from all vaccine candidates thus far are fully protective from death). Approvin…

The FDA's continual foot dragging on approving AstraZeneca is criminal. The UK has already thoroughly reviewed it and decided it was safe for approval. Is there any reason to believe that British scientists are any less competent than their American counterparts? If the trials were successful in the UK, it's a complete waste of time to insist that they be duplicated in the US. Especially when thousands die every day.…

Does it really matter? Does AZ have production locations in the US?

Because their production schedule is behind on their orders for the UK and the EU.

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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Post by est31 »

ahelwer wrote: post #16
est31 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First the communist countries deployed extremely autocratic measures that wouldn't befit free societies. Second, their numbers are far more likely lies than the US ones. These countries are extremely adamant about their public image. That's why they sent police to a doctor's home in Wuhan instead of taking the problem seriously and maybe, you know, stopping international movement to that city.

This zombie they're lying about their numbers! cope needs to die. Look at Taiwan. Look at Korea. Both of them handled the virus fairly well, with much less extreme measures, and have good relations with the US so you have no reason to doubt their numbers.

Those countries aren't communist though. If something needs to die it's communism.
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