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B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Post by stonesweep »

uoaei wrote: post #14
stonesweep wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally think it leads to this theory which my life experience tends to agree with: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory

Broken windows policing doesn't directly address crime rates, it artificially inflates the levels of perceived crime in order to boost police reputation through reported statistics. Real crime rates have been falling ever since they started measuring it, and there is no demonstrable correlation with increased police presence or strength/brutality of their weapons.

I lived in SF proper for many years. The lack of prosecution for smash & grabs absolutely led to an increase of more smash & grabs. Here's an article Google found for me easily: https://sfist.com/2017/08/31/massive_jump_in_san_francisco_c... (and don't skip the comments) - people simply stopped reporting smash & grab because they knew it was useless.

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Post by scarmig »

ndiscussion wrote: post #15
uoaei wrote: post #13

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Lack of response by police is expected, warranted, and even desired if the reason for this lack is that they are neglecting property crimes to prevent violent crimes elsewhere.

In my experience, police are more likely to focus on corporate property crimes than violent crime. It seems to be a sick game of incentives gone wrong... the police department just needs to grow, so it needs more money. So it protects the corporate taxpayer over everyday victims.

But this very case is an example of a corporate taxpayer getting screwed over by municipal indifference (to the point where they were hiring private security, but even that was not enough).

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Post by ghufran_syed »

dragonwriter wrote: post #11
tjalfi wrote: post #9

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Proposition 47[0] in 2014 substantially reduced the penalties for shoplifting, grand theft, forgery, fraud, and other crimes. Stealing It would be surprising if this didn't lead to a substantial increase in the crime rate. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_California_Proposition_47

> It would be surprising if this didn't lead to a substantial increase in the crime rate. Probably doesn't make a big difference to San Francisco vs other major West Coast cities, since most of the major West Coast cities are also in California.

that makes sense - I suspect it’s this in addition to local prosecutors failing to prosecute.

There was an article last year about how the thieves know to stay in san francisco county and not cross into san mateo county, because the chances of being arrested and prosecuted is much higher in san mateo county

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Post by gumby »

proc0 wrote: post #16
hindsightbias wrote: post #8

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SF leads in all areas of innovation, including crime. In the Covid era, tourists are not present in the quantities required to sustain various career populations, including criminals. Guns aren’t really necessary in SF, so there may be some gang initiation threshold.

> SF leads in all areas of innovation, including crime. Not anymore they won't. And you think criminals from outside the city/state don't know that people have no guns there? That's attractive to anyone trying to break the law.

Do people really travel any kind of distance to commit crimes? I thought that most crimes were committed in one's own neighborhood, then nearby ones.

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Post by gumby »

fistfucker3000 wrote: post #23

That store is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. I hope it dies along with all the other bougie bullshit in there. Most of it barely works and is unnecessary even if it were to work perfectly.

I don't use the word "bougie" but I have been in the one in Palo Alto a few times (the first time by choice) and honestly have never seen the point. Nothing I've seen there as looked remotely enticing.

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Post by jdavis703 »

jacquesc wrote: post #5

I wonder if the Union square Apple store has this issue, or if PR keeps it hush. I'd imagine it would be really bad for business if customers found out, and they print money at that location

I know an employee at the Emeryville Apple Store advised me to disguise my Macbook Pro purchase in my backpack. I imagine all high-end electronic retailers deal with this (e.g. Best Buy in Emeryville pays armed, off-duty cops to stand at the door.)

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Post by liaukovv »

gumby wrote: post #25
proc0 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> SF leads in all areas of innovation, including crime. Not anymore they won't. And you think criminals from outside the city/state don't know that people have no guns there? That's attractive to anyone trying to break the law.

Do people really travel any kind of distance to commit crimes? I thought that most crimes were committed in one's own neighborhood, then nearby ones.

That would be a very bad tactic In fact touring crime seems like a better approach, you commit a bunch of crimes in a city and move on, never to be seen there again

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Post by greatjack613 »

ilamont wrote: post #2

Good for him, standing up for his employees who clearly must be very alarmed. B8ta has stores around the globe, and Norby told SFGATE last month that the crime in San Francisco is unlike anything the company experiences elsewhere. “This actually doesn’t happen anywhere else in the country,” he said. “We have 17 other stores, including three internationally. This just doesn’t happen anywhere else. It’s only here.” Why…

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