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Communications Minister touts the opportunities of a Google-less Australia

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Re: Communications Minister touts the opportunities of a Google-less Australia

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Australia could build its own Baidu, or Naver. I agree it's an exciting opportunity.

Why build? There's a number of other search engines available - Google is not the only choice. As a national project, that would be a waste of money.

And those search engines wouldn't fall under this law why?

Re: Communications Minister touts the opportunities of a Google-less Australia

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain?

News corp, headed Rupert Murdoch, owns a lot of media in Australia. Most of this media is abjectly shithouse but heavily consumed by people aged 60+. Murdoch wields undue political power because of this, which induces elected politicians to fawn over him. They gave him the order of Australia the other week for example, which seems nonsensical to many actual Australian citizens, to whom he appears to be a rich prick s…

'If I have to use a VPN to get decent search results because of this nonsense I will NOT be pleased.'

Good news then because you can use Duck Duck Go and get reasonable results without being stalked around the internet or run the risk of your parents clicking a scam ad because 'it has 5 gold stars beneath it'.

Re: Communications Minister touts the opportunities of a Google-less Australia

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This is absolutely ridiculous legislation, because it doesn't give Google the option of just removing all these news sources from search results if their asking price is too high. In effect, there's no choice but to pull the entirety of search out of Australia, or pay whatever arbitrary price the arbitration process comes up with. It's like forcing internationally-owned supermarkets to stock newspapers at a price det…

Forcing the provider of a service to carry all local newspapers? Sounds a bit like net neutrality to me. If we see google news as a common carrier of sorts, forcing it to carry everything at fixed prices seems appropriate. Whether the price is too high, or whether one body or another should set the price, is something that can be negotiated.

Re: Communications Minister touts the opportunities of a Google-less Australia

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This is absolutely ridiculous legislation, because it doesn't give Google the option of just removing all these news sources from search results if their asking price is too high. In effect, there's no choice but to pull the entirety of search out of Australia, or pay whatever arbitrary price the arbitration process comes up with. It's like forcing internationally-owned supermarkets to stock newspapers at a price det…

No law less than this would work, because Google is too powerful and adept at pressuring any other party it has to deal with to get its way. You can see this when a law similar to what you suggest was passed in Spain and Google shut down just Google News. Or when Germany passed a similar law, without a requirement to participate, and Google just made it clear if publishers didn't give Google a license for free they'd be booted off search.

Google is like the mob, in that you literally have to build a whole new law around dealing with it (RICO) that lets you come at the edge and use that to come at the head of the snake.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As somebody who dislikes both the established old media firms of Murdoch & Co, but despises the parasitic Tech surveillance capitalism even more, I welcome this (regressive) attitude. Europeans are fighting for similar reasons which is loss of control of their own media and a takeover by US propaganda and norms by companies who have failed to pay their taxes again and again. imo it doesn't matter that many of these l…

'Australian concentration camps'?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauru_Regional_Processing_Cent...

Re: Communications Minister touts the opportunities of a Google-less Australia

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why build? There's a number of other search engines available - Google is not the only choice. As a national project, that would be a waste of money.

And those search engines wouldn't fall under this law why?

Because the law specifically refers to Google and Facebook only.

Re: Communications Minister touts the opportunities of a Google-less Australia

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Am I the only one who finds it hypocritical that the Liberal government is ok with Murdoch owning pretty much the entire Australian free press; yet they are against monopolisation of search and basic http-based news distribution (ie simple web scraping). The reason people read news online is because Aussie news papers are generally such racist garbage and their web sites are either paywalled or stuffed with ads. Sorr…

Yeah I'm not a fan of the law either. Google's response was also irritating: plastering ads for their video (against the new law) on every search made from Australia.

You'd rather want Google search to just disappear someday?

Re: Communications Minister touts the opportunities of a Google-less Australia

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This is absolutely ridiculous legislation, because it doesn't give Google the option of just removing all these news sources from search results if their asking price is too high. In effect, there's no choice but to pull the entirety of search out of Australia, or pay whatever arbitrary price the arbitration process comes up with. It's like forcing internationally-owned supermarkets to stock newspapers at a price det…

Forcing the provider of a service to carry all local newspapers? Sounds a bit like net neutrality to me. If we see google news as a common carrier of sorts, forcing it to carry everything at fixed prices seems appropriate. Whether the price is too high, or whether one body or another should set the price, is something that can be negotiated.

Google already carry all local newspapers at a fixed rate. The Australian government just decided to increase the rate to a level Google argue they can't operate under and therefore would have to exit.
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