Live data from Hacker News

Differences between German and British manners

bbc.co.uk

21–30 of 77 posts

Re: Differences between German and British manners

#21
post #14

« The German language doesn't even have an expression for "small talk", she says. » When will this idea that because Language X doesn't have Y, the idea Y represents is alien to X speakers finally disappear ? Although language does have an influence on one's thinking habit, this idea is a gross misrepresentation of very complex phenomena. There's no word in French for the verb "to need". There's no future tense in Fi…

'There's no word in French for the verb "to need".' Sure, but there is an expression for the idea - the article didn't just say that there isn't a word for small talk, it said that Germans don't even do small talk. The example given was that th German translation of a Paddington Bear book actually just cuts out the small talk, which does indeed seem to support the idea that you disagree with...

It used the fact that Germans don't have a word for small talk as evidence that Germans don't do small talk.

Re: Differences between German and British manners

#22
post #11
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right, but what does it say about Germans when they have to borrow the word "small talk"?

Much the same thing that it says about English-speakers when they have to borrow the word "entrepreneur".

geebee: http://www.snopes.com/quotes/bush.asp

Re: Differences between German and British manners

#23
post #22
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Much the same thing that it says about English-speakers when they have to borrow the word "entrepreneur".

geebee: http://www.snopes.com/quotes/bush.asp

Oh, shoot. I hate it when people say Al Gore claimed to have invented the internet. Leaving the post up so that people know what you're talking about.

Re: Differences between German and British manners

#24
post #14

« The German language doesn't even have an expression for "small talk", she says. » When will this idea that because Language X doesn't have Y, the idea Y represents is alien to X speakers finally disappear ? Although language does have an influence on one's thinking habit, this idea is a gross misrepresentation of very complex phenomena. There's no word in French for the verb "to need". There's no future tense in Fi…

'There's no word in French for the verb "to need".' Sure, but there is an expression for the idea - the article didn't just say that there isn't a word for small talk, it said that Germans don't even do small talk. The example given was that th German translation of a Paddington Bear book actually just cuts out the small talk, which does indeed seem to support the idea that you disagree with...

This is the reason I gave other examples. This doesn't apply only to words. It applies to expressions as well. Literal translation being possible is the exception, not the norm.

Re: Differences between German and British manners

#25
post #23
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

geebee: http://www.snopes.com/quotes/bush.asp

Oh, shoot. I hate it when people say Al Gore claimed to have invented the internet. Leaving the post up so that people know what you're talking about.

Oh strange, when I originally posted my comment, it wouldn't let me reply to yours.

Re: Differences between German and British manners

#28
post #19
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Much the same thing that it says about English-speakers when they have to borrow the word "entrepreneur".

There is a slight difference, though, in that the English speaking world has taken a huge amount of its vocabulary from French. It may be less remarkable when Americans borrow a word then when Germans do this. That said, "Entrepreneur", from what I read on wikipedia, was a 19th century import, not a William the Conquerer import, so you do make a pretty good point - it does seem more of a "borrowed word" than a core p…

English has a huge vocabulary from German. Even the royal family was mostly imported from Germany.

Re: Differences between German and British manners

#29
post #8
post #6

"The German language doesn't even have an expression for "small talk", she says. It is so alien that in the German translation of A Bear called Paddington - Paddington unser kleiner Baer - it was omitted." Klatsch? Gerede? I'm pretty sure Heidegger's Gerede comes pretty close to what we call "small talk".

Native speaker of German here. "Klatsch" is not "small talk", it's "gossip". "Gerede" is a word that I've only heard in debates to suggest that something is not to be taken seriously, i.e. it has serious negative connotations. Perhaps it used to mean "small talk" in the past when Germans did such things, and then changed to have the negative meaning when small talk fell out of favour? Of course, the German word "Smal…

Unterhaltung

Konversation

Re: Differences between German and British manners

#30
post #28
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a slight difference, though, in that the English speaking world has taken a huge amount of its vocabulary from French. It may be less remarkable when Americans borrow a word then when Germans do this. That said, "Entrepreneur", from what I read on wikipedia, was a 19th century import, not a William the Conquerer import, so you do make a pretty good point - it does seem more of a "borrowed word" than a core p…

English has a huge vocabulary from German. Even the royal family was mostly imported from Germany.

Oh yeah, English vocabulary may be even more German than French... what I remember is that while overall English vocabulary is heavily French, it leans more German when you consider the most frequently used, conversational words.
Post reply on HN