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My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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Re: My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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I'm looking into making my own software Zettelkasten solution. Anyone have feedback on what they like or dislike about the software they are already using?

I combine Joplin and Zotero for Zettelkasten-like capability. One thing I wish is that Joplin's desktop client wasn't based on Electron.

Re: My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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I'm looking into making my own software Zettelkasten solution. Anyone have feedback on what they like or dislike about the software they are already using?

Maybe instead of building another one, go help improve existing ones.

I appreciate the implied question... why do this? Essentially I believe the current approaches fail to be 'mainstream friendly'. I've started to discuss this with a neuroscientist friend of mine and we are currently exploring why this is the case.

Re: My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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Zettlekasten: the Kubernetes of note-taking systems.

I think it’s important to bear in mind the context this system grew out of (academic research) and ask yourself whether you really need such a heavyweight note-taking system. It’s also important to realize this system is not a substitute for accepted patterns of knowledge generation, such as summarizing extemporaneous notes and making time to review your notes frequently enough that the knowledge captured actually sticks.

Zettlekasten is a system layered on top of that and basically serves as a database for things you already know. If you’re not already doing the former behaviors then it’s likely you’re just going to be wasting your time hacking on a system that won’t provide you enough value to justify the maintenance cost. In fact, it’s likely that the overhead will be so high that you’ll lose time to practice the foundational behaviors that really pay off in the long run.

Re: My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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I'm looking into making my own software Zettelkasten solution. Anyone have feedback on what they like or dislike about the software they are already using?

There are quite a few out there, why are you looking into building your own?

I answered this briefly above, but I could flip the question by asking, if the other approaches are so great, why haven't they found product market fit and mass adoption?

And that lack of mass market adoption really annoys me because I believe in the benefits of a Zettelkasten and it would really increase creativity and productivity across many fields if there was mass market adoption.

Re: My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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For anyone who wants the gist of Zettelkasten, I've just finished reading How to Take Smart Notes by Sönke Ahrens. Here's my rather brief summary of the process: * You create fleeting notes to capture ideas as they happen. They should be short lived notes that don't become the main store of your knowledge. * You create literature notes as your read material. These should include your own thoughts on highlighted passa…

You can give it a try with obsidian.md

Re: My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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Is foam not a regression in your flow? You mentioned the cross platform being an important feature I'd love to give it a go,but that's a bit of a necessity for me. Admittedly perhaps notion for fleeting notes, with a foam setup for managing permanent notes wheb at mt desktop may be a good compromise I'm hoping something good is going to come out of notions backlinks support. $15/m is pretty steep on roam, and I do pr…

Yeah, foam isn't a great option for cross platform (mobile).

If you use an iPad and have your notes in a GitHub repository you can use code spaces which is the vscode editor (I'm not sure if the extensions will work though)

Re: My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are quite a few out there, why are you looking into building your own?

I answered this briefly above, but I could flip the question by asking, if the other approaches are so great, why haven't they found product market fit and mass adoption? And that lack of mass market adoption really annoys me because I believe in the benefits of a Zettelkasten and it would really increase creativity and productivity across many fields if there was mass market adoption.

I disagree about the mass market adoption - compared to how long Zettelkasten has been trending (less than a year), the rise in its tooling and usage is quite phenomenal.

Re: My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe instead of building another one, go help improve existing ones.

I appreciate the implied question... why do this? Essentially I believe the current approaches fail to be 'mainstream friendly'. I've started to discuss this with a neuroscientist friend of mine and we are currently exploring why this is the case.

Do you have any details on this or is it not documented anywhere yet?

Re: My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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For anyone who wants the gist of Zettelkasten, I've just finished reading How to Take Smart Notes by Sönke Ahrens. Here's my rather brief summary of the process: * You create fleeting notes to capture ideas as they happen. They should be short lived notes that don't become the main store of your knowledge. * You create literature notes as your read material. These should include your own thoughts on highlighted passa…

You can give it a try with obsidian.md

wow, is that web site ever broken on mobile. Thanks for mentioning, though, I’ve been hunting for something like that.

Re: My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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I've been using the Zettelkasten method for a few months now and I could never go back to the way I was taking notes before. I picked "The Archive" for the app and have a Git repo located on OneDrive. It just works and there is no guessing how things get organized. I can keep my notes not only synced, but I also get version controlled markdown files. You can setup VSCode to accomplish the same tasks through extension…

So what is the organization of your notes?

I would think that to collect knowledge about the world you would (ideally) need to have an ontological model of what are the categories of things we can talk about, and how those categories are connected to each other.

Creating such a model even if only in your head means organizing the knowledge we have and collect, and is not a trivial thing to accomplish.

Or does it not matter with Zettelkasten?

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