> The question we need to be asking is whether we should banish certain ideas to an echo chamber that the rest of us have no incentive to enter, or whether we should allow free expression of all ideas — no matter how repulsive — so rational minds may finally have an opportunity to prevail. I don't think the person that believes Bill Gates is trying to insert microchips into people is going to listen to rational thoug…
The sources of misinformation that thrived in Parler
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#22> The question we need to be asking is whether we should banish certain ideas to an echo chamber that the rest of us have no incentive to enter, or whether we should allow free expression of all ideas — no matter how repulsive — so rational minds may finally have an opportunity to prevail Has the free expression of all ideas through current means allowed rational minds to prevail? It seems that the status quo has fai…
Which matters more: rational minds, or truth?
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#23Yes, like the picture of the Italian ICU which was dishonestly placed in reports by US journalists to show overcrowded, chaotic American ICUs.
> Americans have suffered far more during the pandemic than any other country
4.2% of the global population and a 20% share of the world's infections and deaths. How does that add up, especially when compared to countries like India and Nigeria which have higher squalor and population density (not to be demeaning) but much lower incidents of infection and death? The US has not implemented fewer precautions than the rest of the world (indeed some states have instituted some of the most onerous mitigation tactics) yet it is faring the worst? The numbers and tactics do not add up.
> How is it possible for the most modern society in the world, with all the evidence right at our fingertips, to be so misinformed?
Because so much of this 'most modern society' gets its information from the same 6 corporations through a telescreen instead of walking out and experiencing it firsthand.
> In the case of Bill Gates, he came out as a vocal supporter of public safety measures that were especially loathed by Americans who felt it encroached on their civil liberties.
Bill Gates is unaffected by government forced shutdowns of private industry. He can slink away and live for the rest of his life on what he has in the bank and market. The average American can't come up with $400 to cover an emergency expense, and you wonder why so many people don't like being told they aren't essential? They get a $600 pittance while the vast majority of the CARES act got routed to corporations to keep up their bottom line.
I could pick this misinformation apart further, but it's not worth my time and keystrokes to piss into the wind.
Wat je zegt ben je zelf met je kop door de helft.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
I just started posting on the Internet this year after many years of lurking, and I truly don't understand why a handful of people take such a negative tone without even reading what I wrote. Is there something specific you don't agree with?
It’s the pervasive high handed tone adopted by propagandists posing as journalists to manipulate readers. We see this propaganda language now usually signaled with phrases like “claims without evidence,” “misinformation,” “lies”... Then, the “journalist” provides no basis for their assertions, instead relying upon their status as journalists, when in fact they are propagandists usurping the role of journalists. Gener…
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#26> We should all be seeing the same images of overcrowded hospitals Yes, like the picture of the Italian ICU which was dishonestly placed in reports by US journalists to show overcrowded, chaotic American ICUs. > Americans have suffered far more during the pandemic than any other country 4.2% of the global population and a 20% share of the world's infections and deaths. How does that add up, especially when compared t…
That depends if you just consider the nominal commands or if you also consider whether, and in what manner/degree, the commands are enforced (and complied with.)
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
I just started posting on the Internet this year after many years of lurking, and I truly don't understand why a handful of people take such a negative tone without even reading what I wrote. Is there something specific you don't agree with?
I read the first paragraph, and the abuse of logic just stopped me from continuing. "Americans have suffered far more during the pandemic than any other country, yet 25% of Americans still believe that the pandemic was planned and executed by powerful people." Why would suffering preclude a particular belief in a particular cause of that suffering? Are "powerful people" disinclined to visit suffering upon Americans?…
That in particular in the opening is enough — a perfect match for the stereotypically ignorant parochial American. The US is among the worst off by some reasonable criteria like deaths per capita, but is in a cluster with other nations and not above. So to claim as if self-evident that it “suffered far more … than any other country” is just nonsense.
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#28> How is it possible for the most modern society in the world, with all the evidence right at our fingertips, to be so misinformed? well there's two answers to that question. Either the society you're talking about is in fact not the 'most modern' society on the planet, or having evidence at the tip of your fingers doesn't make you more informed. Spoiler alert, it's both. American society has a knack for conspiracy t…
Entire books have been written on the subject:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasyland:_How_America_Went_...
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#29> The question we need to be asking is whether we should banish certain ideas to an echo chamber that the rest of us have no incentive to enter, or whether we should allow free expression of all ideas — no matter how repulsive — so rational minds may finally have an opportunity to prevail Has the free expression of all ideas through current means allowed rational minds to prevail? It seems that the status quo has fai…
Which matters more: rational minds, or truth?
> Which matters more: rational minds, or truth?
That question is based on a false premise. Irrational minds aren't going to arrive at truth through their own processes, except by accident.
And "free expression of all ideas through current means" hasn't allowed the truth to prevail, either. It's allowed even blatant, meritless lies such as QAnon and "Stop the Steal" to become widespread and influential, supported by a whole constellation of other more subtle lies.
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#30Brought to you by pseudonymous medium writer "anonymousdatascientist" Talks about people that he disagrees with as "dark cave creatures" and "weak intellectual immunity" - and we wonder why half the country is defensive and angered by the "educated" and "elite"? He talks about Dr. Fauci in such high regard even though Fauci has admitted he deliberately lied to the American people in order to try to shape their behavi…
I'm actually new to writing anything online, I've just lurked the Internet for years and read so much good writing on HN. I'm going to take a step back, re-evaluate and get more eyes on what I'm writing before I carelessly post something again. I love this community more than any other, and I want to meet the standard.
Plus if I am stoking partisan fire as you are suggesting, I am accomplishing the opposite of what I hope to actually do as a pseudonymous writer. I really do appreciate you taking the time to read and provide this honest feedback.
Edit: I finished revising based on your suggestions and will look at it with a fresh eye tomorrow. Thanks again for explaining your perspective to me so succinctly.