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Re: State of JavaScript 2020

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Post by jakelazaroff »

systemvoltage wrote: post #6

Cliche rant coming up: as a backend engineer, recently started working on frontend. Is this how yall do things? Everything so far feels less mature, thinly pieced together, barely holding up, fast moving, unnecessarily bloated, and no care for longevity, robustness and discipline. Seems like every thing is on Youtube, no real good books (yeah, go ahead and search for "React JS" books on Amazon and see if you find som…

Sure, there are a lot of warts. But it feels less mature because it is less mature. Consider that you’re coming from a domain that’s three decades old into one that really only started gaining steam in the 2010s.

Re: State of JavaScript 2020

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Post by ehutch79 »

Vue is the 3rd in framework ranks... and like the 16th ranked?

"Testing Library" is the top testing library apparently? Had to check that this was an actual library, I'm sure many people just left it as a 'whatever' choice.

Someones data is dirty dirty dirty

Re: State of JavaScript 2020

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Post by olingern »

systemvoltage wrote: post #6

Cliche rant coming up: as a backend engineer, recently started working on frontend. Is this how yall do things? Everything so far feels less mature, thinly pieced together, barely holding up, fast moving, unnecessarily bloated, and no care for longevity, robustness and discipline. Seems like every thing is on Youtube, no real good books (yeah, go ahead and search for "React JS" books on Amazon and see if you find som…

Do you remember when you could rent a physical machine somewhere and have something running in 5 minutes? We moved to something more verbose to support the new volume of the internet.

The same has happened on the front-end. I consider some front-ends, like Twitter’s, applications just as I do iOS or Android.

You can get out of this by using jQuery. It still works.

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Post by [deleted] »

systemvoltage wrote: post #6

Cliche rant coming up: as a backend engineer, recently started working on frontend. Is this how yall do things? Everything so far feels less mature, thinly pieced together, barely holding up, fast moving, unnecessarily bloated, and no care for longevity, robustness and discipline. Seems like every thing is on Youtube, no real good books (yeah, go ahead and search for "React JS" books on Amazon and see if you find som…

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Re: State of JavaScript 2020

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Post by cosmodisk »

If the healthcare sector would apply the same ideas and principles of the front-end industry, it'd look like this: oh,look, it's a pen! Why don't we combine it with a scalpel and an angle grinder for our next surgery?

Front-end is an absolute shit show with all the html/css/js mixture.

Re: State of JavaScript 2020

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Post by systemvoltage »

Pfhreak wrote: post #14
systemvoltage wrote: post #6

Cliche rant coming up: as a backend engineer, recently started working on frontend. Is this how yall do things? Everything so far feels less mature, thinly pieced together, barely holding up, fast moving, unnecessarily bloated, and no care for longevity, robustness and discipline. Seems like every thing is on Youtube, no real good books (yeah, go ahead and search for "React JS" books on Amazon and see if you find som…

I've worked in front end and backend systems. I've worked with extremely high scale web services at FAANG. I've made videogames, and done data processing pipelines. In general, I find that people will look at the domain outside of their area of expertise and say, "Holy shit, how do you work like this?" All the front end devs are like, "You have to wait how many minutes for compile times?" for instance. I think the im…

> All the front end devs are like, "You have to wait how many minutes for compile times?" for instance.

This is a shocking argument coming from any front end dev. Since when is static type checking, working on serious big repositories that take time to compile, have proper architecture with hundreds if not thousands of programmers working on it comparable to 3 frontend folks working on a web application? There is so much wrong with this argument and haven't scratched the surface.

Re: State of JavaScript 2020

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Post by mobilio »

systemvoltage wrote: post #6

Cliche rant coming up: as a backend engineer, recently started working on frontend. Is this how yall do things? Everything so far feels less mature, thinly pieced together, barely holding up, fast moving, unnecessarily bloated, and no care for longevity, robustness and discipline. Seems like every thing is on Youtube, no real good books (yeah, go ahead and search for "React JS" books on Amazon and see if you find som…

Well... things on browsers, html and css are technically most OK.

But JS is outstanding on this mess: https://httparchive.org/reports/state-of-javascript

Please note that this is transfer size. So if some script like jQuery 1.X is 90kb minified, but compressed is like 30k.

That's why we shouldn't asking ourselves why some users using a 3rd party tools to disable trackers, ads (like PiHole) or even disable JS using browser extensions.

And now good news... this time Google. Google are making Core Web Vitals: https://web.dev/vitals/ trying to evaluate sites using CrUX RUM. And soon they will this will be included in ranking algorithm: https://developers.google.com/search/blog/2020/11/timing-for...

This announce make most of webmasters freaking out about web speed finally.

Re: State of JavaScript 2020

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Post by fctorial »

systemvoltage wrote: post #6

Cliche rant coming up: as a backend engineer, recently started working on frontend. Is this how yall do things? Everything so far feels less mature, thinly pieced together, barely holding up, fast moving, unnecessarily bloated, and no care for longevity, robustness and discipline. Seems like every thing is on Youtube, no real good books (yeah, go ahead and search for "React JS" books on Amazon and see if you find som…

> no real good books

React reference documentation?

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