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Re: Debian 11 “bullseye” freeze started

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Post by shmerl »

mbreese wrote: post #13
edoceo wrote: post #9

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As an outsider, it's not the reliability of the software that is amazing to me. It's the governance and management of the project. The distro has managed to be amazingly consistent and stable for years. But the reason for this is how the project is run. It's hard to do that for so long with minimal drama and they deserve tons for kudos for that effort. Like some others, where CentOS was my go-to distro, I've started…

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Re: Debian 11 “bullseye” freeze started

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Post by abrowne »

hlieberman wrote: post #20
zackmorris wrote: post #19

Debian is my favorite distro for web dev, but, MIPS is also near and dear to my heart since I learned its hardware architecture in college. I view MIPS as the simplest possible instruction set that satisfies most of the modern scalability constraints (RISC, short pipeline, etc). It will likely be replaced by something like ARM which also incorporates instruction compression for basically free (since memory latency ma…

MIPS (Little Endian) and MIPS64 (LE) are still fully supported architectures!

Are you sure for mips? It says (emphasis added)

> We have decided that the architectures that will be part of the bullseye release are: amd64, arm64, armel, armhf, i386, mips64el, mipsel, ppc64el and s390x (i.e. the same we had for buster minus mips).

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Post by mappu »

Mathnerd314 wrote: post #2

They're considering dropping i386, which is interesting. Does anyone know more about that?

Time64 is the death of i386 - the time_t structure needs to be expanded to 64-bit to handle dates beyond 2038, but that's an ABI break, and the primary reason anyone still runs 32-bit binaries is for closed-source games which won't come along for an ABI upgrade.

You can either do the ABI break and lose most existing users when the main set of apps stop working, or have the main set of apps stop working anyway in 2038.

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Post by SAI_Peregrinus »

abrowne wrote: post #23
hlieberman wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MIPS (Little Endian) and MIPS64 (LE) are still fully supported architectures!

Are you sure for mips? It says (emphasis added) > We have decided that the architectures that will be part of the bullseye release are: amd64, arm64, armel, armhf, i386, mips64el, mipsel, ppc64el and s390x (i.e. the same we had for buster minus mips ).

"mips64el, mipsel"

Those are MIPS, but Little-Endian instead of Big-Endian.

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Post by mappu »

passthejoe wrote: post #14

I just installed yesterday. I tried an in-place upgrade from Buster, but that didn't work, so I did a new install. So far, so good. It's an interesting time to be running Bullseye because it includes GNOME 3.38, which is what you get in Fedora 33 and Ubuntu 20.10.

I hit the gcc8 / libgcc-s1 migration problem when trying an in-place upgrade from Buster to Bullseye. I'm sure it will be resolved before the final release, but the issue for me was https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=961990 and several workarounds were available, but running `apt full-upgrade libgcc1-` worked for me as per https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=964477#41 .

Re: Debian 11 “bullseye” freeze started

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Post by nerdponx »

gtirloni wrote: post #5

Following the recent CentOS fiasco, I'm advising friends to go with Debian. It's rock solid and can be depended upon.

Maybe for servers. But it still has plenty of rough edges as a desktop OS. Mint is a much better choice (IMO) for the desktop, that still is somewhat within the Debian ecosystem.
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