Leaving aside the discution regarding the monopoly position of AMAZON (or other technology companies), I wonder if the PARLER situation would not have been the same if it had gone to any other company offering the same services and used a pre-ownership platform.
If they had developed their own stack, wouldn't their flexibility have been greater?
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#22AWS should have no responsibilities on what is on the platform and it is also not taking all the responsibilities, so it should not pretend taking one.
That is totally legal process's role. Anyone hope a A decide what B should do for C is just not understanding the dynamics in human society.
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#23I am not on Twitter, but wasn't #HangMikePence trending a few days ago? Isn't it a bit hypocritical when one of the biggest social network is allowed to do the same thing?
I've come down to a "both things are true" position on this.
Parler is absolutely guilty of violating TOS because as near as I can tell the entire purpose of Parler was to facilitate this kind of discussion.
That being said, there is a double standard at work as well. The fascist movement we're discussing here probably would not exist were it not for the YouTube recommendation algorithm, which in an effort to keep people on the site has a powerful "rabbit hole" effect. Twitter has also been full of propaganda for years, and only recently have they put forth much effort to do anything about it... because they were making money off the attention it brought to the platform. Nothing happens to these companies because they are bigger, have more money, and own their own infrastructure.
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#24Editorialized title. Link is to the response Amazon filed yesterday to Parler's law suit. That said, yeah. I don't know why people are screaming so hard about censorship when the simple truth is that this was an attempt to retroactively apply moderation to a community that had verifiably gotten out of control, at a moment where it was clear that many of these threats were real and not just rhetoric.
I'm not totally sure what to think, but aren't many violent acts planned on Facebook and Twitter? Wasn't the insurrection at the capitol? Yet, the big boys aren't paying the price, it's the competitor that suddenly got popular that wasn't able to be influenced by politicos.
Twitter definitely made moves to crack down on this stuff (after all, that's why Parler thinks it was poised to gain a lot of traffic). Parler complains about the "Hang Mike Pence" hashtag, but omits the fact that Twitter in fact did kill the hashtag.
Parler's sin was basically to attempt no moderation whatsoever, and even after it was clear that several individuals intended to make good on their threats (see the invasion of the Capitol), did not seem to be willing to make any serious attempts to moderate content. See ¶6 of https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wawd.294664... for some discussion.
(Note that the executive's name in that declaration is redacted because (s)he is legitimately concerned for violence should their name be made available to the public.)
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#25I struggle to understand how it is not a way to remove a competitor and move the spotlight from those companies doing a good deed vs the black duck being parler.
Twitter let ISIS terrorists post beadings and murders on its platform. A simple search on any racial keyword will show plenty of hatred that is everywhere on its platform. Facebook, not even talking about what they do, the way they use data, advertise, and leave content that is racist/dangerous.
And now that parler jumps in without the $ of twitter and facebook and the process/software that took years for a FB to be able delete violent content then we censor them from the outside?
How about we censor google for doing business with china and promoting censorship? Id say that is a good enough argument for the US governement to nationalize google and remove them from their monopoly.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is there a feasible plan to obtain better power structures in the same time scales that these people are literally plotting to overthrow governments, murder political opponents, etc.?
Twitter and FB got a lot of credit for the Arab Spring.
Seems like a difference between between overthrowing fascist religious minority in power and preventing fascist religious minority from rising to power?
Electoral college picks the President but two elections on and no popular vote wins for Trump.
If we’re talking about suppression of speech, seems like Trump was keen on doing that as well, on the backs of a political minority.
Re: AWS repeatedly warned Parler about posts urging murder
#27Editorialized title. Link is to the response Amazon filed yesterday to Parler's law suit. That said, yeah. I don't know why people are screaming so hard about censorship when the simple truth is that this was an attempt to retroactively apply moderation to a community that had verifiably gotten out of control, at a moment where it was clear that many of these threats were real and not just rhetoric.
If my “editorialized” you mean “edited,” yes. But it’s not opinionated, it’s stated as fact in the filing with specific details backing it up.
It's editorialized. The non-editorialized title of this post would be "Parler, LLC v. Amazon Web Services, Inc."
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are two things that can be true at the same time: - Amazon was within its legal and ethical rights to do this, and ought to win any court cases, etc. - The aggregate situation of de-platforming of individuals and entire platforms from the Internet by a few unilateral decisions by corporations reveals a power structure we ought to not want (it has always been there, but now it's undeniably shown itself willing a…
On your second point, there will always be power structures. You can't not have them, when considering realistic arrangements made of humans. So now what? Is the complaint really that the gatekeepers are different than they were 30 or 100 years ago? Or that there is no realistic alternative that could have acted, citing some authority you find more agreeable, in an effective timeframe?
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#29All AWS/GCP/Azure is tell you guys: build you damn infrastructure, learn how to install software and configure you routes.
If this is not clear, I do not know what is.
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#30It's worth pointing out the offensive content cited in the document:
* “Fry’em up. The whole fkn crew. #pelosi #aoc #thesquad #soros #gates #chuckschumer #hrc #obama #adamschiff #blm #antifa we are coming for you and you will know it.”
* “#JackDorsey ... you will die a bloody death alongside Mark Suckerturd [Zuckerberg].... It has been decided and plans are being put in place. Remember the photographs inside your home while you slept? Yes, that close. You will die a sudden death!”
* “We are going to fight in a civil War on Jan.20th, Form MILITIAS now and acquire targets.”
* “On January 20th we need to start systematicly [sic] assassinating [sic] #liberal leaders, liberal activists, #blm leaders and supporters, members of the #nba #nfl #mlb #nhl #mainstreammedia anchors and correspondents and #antifa. I already have a news worthy event planned.”
* “Shoot the police that protect these shitbag senators right in the head then make the senator grovel a bit before capping they ass.”
* “After the firing squads are done with the politicians the teachers are next.”
* “Death to @zuckerberg @realjeffbezos @jackdorsey @pichai.”
* “White people need to ignite their racial identity and rain down suffering and death like a hurricane upon zionists.”
* “Put a target on these motherless trash [Antifa] they aren’t human taking one out would be like stepping on a roach no different.”
* “We need to act like our forefathers did Kill [Black and Jewish people] all Leave no victims or survivors.”
* “We are coming with our list we know where you live we know who you are and we are coming for you and it starts on the 6th civil war... Lol if you will think it’s a joke... Enjoy your last few days you have.”
* “This bitch [Stacey Abrams] will be good target practice for our beginners.”
* “This cu* [United States Secretary of Transportation Elaine Chao] should be... hung for betraying their country.”
* “Hang this mofo [Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger] today.”
* “HANG THAt N*** ASAP”
It's indefensible.