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This Year, Autonomous Trucks Will Take to the Road with No One on Board

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Re: This Year, Autonomous Trucks Will Take to the Road with No One on Board

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If I block a road an autonomous truck is expecting to drive along, will it automatically reroute to another road? If it does, then these trucks are going to be very easy to rob simply by corralling them in to a quiet location..

Depot to depot, you are going to have to block major highways to get them to divert anywhere near a quiet location.

And if it is even sort of a problem, companies shipping valuable stuff aren't just going to do nothing about it.

Re: This Year, Autonomous Trucks Will Take to the Road with No One on Board

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Seems like yet another press release from an autonomous driving company that promises to test without humans soon and has vague ambitions of level 4 autonomy in the 3-5 year horizon.

Add it to the pile! http://rodneybrooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/SelfDrivi...

(from recent HN post https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25706436)

Re: This Year, Autonomous Trucks Will Take to the Road with No One on Board

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There are 3.5 million truck drivers in the US. What are 3.5 million people going to do if they're suddenly out of a job and have to change career completely? I am far from being a Trump supporter, but it would be easy for authoritarian politicians to ride to the White House on the grievances of millions of voters who had their livelihoods taken away from them by automation. Trump's promises to bring back manufacturin…

If fully autonomous long haul trucking was buyable today, then it'd still take 10+ years for it to be phased in. And even then, your 3.5M people number likely includes both long haul and short haul trucking. Short haul is entirely different ballgame. So, a more likely scenario than 3.5M people losing their jobs suddenly is that the trucking industry stops hiring, and mix of short/long haul jobs shifts from its current mix to entirely short haul.

I'd also be interested in what the median age range is for truckers. If adoption is sufficiently long term (20 years wouldn't surprise me), the economic pain might be surprisingly minimal due to people aging out of the workforce.

Re: This Year, Autonomous Trucks Will Take to the Road with No One on Board

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There are 3.5 million truck drivers in the US. What are 3.5 million people going to do if they're suddenly out of a job and have to change career completely? I am far from being a Trump supporter, but it would be easy for authoritarian politicians to ride to the White House on the grievances of millions of voters who had their livelihoods taken away from them by automation. Trump's promises to bring back manufacturin…

The reason we don't live in sub third world conditions like our ancestors of the 1700s is that with the Industrial Revolution, a few % of jobs have been automated each year.

Through this history people have always been worried about those whose jobs are automated, but they've always, on average at least, managed to find new and better paying jobs.

It's important to understand that 3.5m jobs won't disappear in a month. It will take at least a decade to switch around an industry this big, and people will have time to adjust.

Also, this means transportation will be cheaper and faster (computers don't need sleep), which benefits everyone.

> No society where an average person - of average intelligence, average skills, average potential - cannot make a good living for themselves, can survive as a civilized society.

I'm actually also worried about this, but I think it's a separate issue.

Re: This Year, Autonomous Trucks Will Take to the Road with No One on Board

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If I block a road an autonomous truck is expecting to drive along, will it automatically reroute to another road? If it does, then these trucks are going to be very easy to rob simply by corralling them in to a quiet location..

But you're still robbing a truck...

Re: This Year, Autonomous Trucks Will Take to the Road with No One on Board

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I cannot believe that this isn't the foundation of autonomous driving: long hauls, highways, no stop signs, semi-controlled circumstances. The economics are more clear and industrialized. Even if a driver had to be present when they got off the highway, I think 'long haul' should be naturally the first thing to be tackled. And I'm surprised Walmart isn't leading the way, they should be.

It already is; autonomous vehicles active now are e.g. airport light rails. Short hauls, fixed track and schedules, very controlled environments so not even a need for e.g. lidar or smart cameras or anything. Distance sensors to kick in in case of unexpected obstacles maybe.

Re: This Year, Autonomous Trucks Will Take to the Road with No One on Board

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"This year"... kinda... This year there will be the first real tests run with no one in the cab. "By 2024,TuSimple plans to achieve Level 4 autonomy, meaning that its trucks will be able to operate without a human driver under limited conditions that may include time of day, weather, or premapped routes." Somehow I've managed to miss that trucks are better for this stuff not just because of the type of driving they d…

This is true, but the size of the vehicle is probably correlated to the scale of any failure modes.
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