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Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by [deleted] »

nobody9999 wrote: post #16
jo032 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the poster you are replying to seems to be arguing that Qanon people should be a protected class under the civil rights act because it's a hokey pseudo religion with prophecies, shamans, and everything. That absolutely does apply to private companies. I don't really know what to make of that as I am not a lawyer, but I'm not making a legal argument but a moral one. Internet businesses are natural monopolies and being…

>Internet businesses are natural monopolies and being banned from one can ruin your life without trial in a way that was unprecedented for private companies to be able to do in the past. What solution do you propose? Take away the right of association from one group of people to enable another group? That seems strange to me. If you allow the government to create a precedent where you can restrict the rights of anyon…

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Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by nobody9999 »

copperwater69 wrote: post #2

Just make your own platform bro Just create your own online shop bro Just host your own platform bro Just host your own videos bro Just make your own DDoS protection bro Just make your own ISP bro Just create your own law firm bro Just create our own payment processing bro

Your point is well taken.

However, forcing people or organizations (which are groups of people) to host or support speech/activities they do not wish to support restricts the rights of those people/organizations.

If you can force them to give up their rights, others can force you to give up your rights.

I can't support that at all.

What's more, the idea that there's some sort of conspiracy/cabal that spans every corporation, industry and profession to murder free speech is a pretty far-fetched one.

There's an old saw that says, "if everyone around you appears to be an asshole, perhaps it's you and not everyone else."

Not obligatory but apropos:

https://xkcd.com/1357

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by leereeves »

nobody9999 wrote: post #23
copperwater69 wrote: post #2

Just make your own platform bro Just create your own online shop bro Just host your own platform bro Just host your own videos bro Just make your own DDoS protection bro Just make your own ISP bro Just create your own law firm bro Just create our own payment processing bro

Your point is well taken. However, forcing people or organizations (which are groups of people) to host or support speech/activities they do not wish to support restricts the rights of those people/organizations. If you can force them to give up their rights, others can force you to give up your rights. I can't support that at all. What's more, the idea that there's some sort of conspiracy/cabal that spans every corp…

My objection to that argument is that the companies claim that the content on the website isn't their speech when invoking Section 230, then claim that it is their speech in order to invoke the First Amendment.

Section 230 says:

> No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.

So how can a company have free speech rights regarding content if they aren't the speaker?

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by sacks2k »

The people cheering this on will not be protected when the mob comes for you.

We live in a digital age. If having the wrong opinion means you can get your bank accounts and all Internet presence removed from you, it's not any different than living under a fascist government.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by djakaitis »

sacks2k wrote: post #26

The people cheering this on will not be protected when the mob comes for you. We live in a digital age. If having the wrong opinion means you can get your bank accounts and all Internet presence removed from you, it's not any different than living under a fascist government.

The mob... keep living the hyperbole. One day you’ll realize you are the baddies.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by jo032 »

esoterica wrote: post #15
jo032 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the poster you are replying to seems to be arguing that Qanon people should be a protected class under the civil rights act because it's a hokey pseudo religion with prophecies, shamans, and everything. That absolutely does apply to private companies. I don't really know what to make of that as I am not a lawyer, but I'm not making a legal argument but a moral one. Internet businesses are natural monopolies and being…

The first amendment doesn’t prohibit discrimination against protected classes though, that’s an entirely different section of the legal code.

the civil rights act effectively does protect speech with regards to religion and sexual orientation, since the idea that we won't discriminate against those things as long as nobody finds out is not what it means
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