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Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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Re: Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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Post by wwwwwwwww »

When the CCP invaded and annexed the Scarborough Shoal in 2012, the Obama administration ignored the defense treaty between the US and the Philippines and allowed the CCP to keep the land.

So now that Biden is practically in power, it makes sense that the CCP innitiates the process for the annexation of Hong Kong in the comming month.

My guess is that, before the end of the Biden term, the CCP will have made a move on Taiwan as well. And the West will not do anything about it other than "a strongly worded letter".

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Post by orange_tee »

mantap wrote: post #13

The west needs to sanction China. This is violation of China's treaty obligations, it's not just a domestic issue, it's an international law issue, and it should have international consequences.

China is strong and the UK is weak. The treaty is not valid anymore. Only an idiot would say otherwise.

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Post by [deleted] »

greatgirl wrote: post #16
echelon wrote: post #3

If we care at all about our future and the generations to come, we must oppose China at all costs. They extinguish dissent. Not just locally, but abroad. They censor our domestic companies that want a foothold in their market (Disney, Blizzard, the NBA, Apple). We need to stop taking their money, and we need to move manufacturing to Vietnam, India, Mexico, and Africa. Strategic manufacturing (medical and tech) needs…

I am not from the US or from China. I sincerely feel like your opinion is born of propaganda, but not only that, your call to action is itself propaganda.

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Re: Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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Post by throwaway93388 »

mantap wrote: post #13

The west needs to sanction China. This is violation of China's treaty obligations, it's not just a domestic issue, it's an international law issue, and it should have international consequences.

> This is violation of China's treaty obligations

Maybe it's time to de-colonise Hong Kong and just give it back to the Chinese properly?

It's not our business how they conduct their internal affairs.

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Post by justinzollars »

mantap wrote: post #13

The west needs to sanction China. This is violation of China's treaty obligations, it's not just a domestic issue, it's an international law issue, and it should have international consequences.

China produces everything. We produce dollars, scrap products, corn, soybeans, timber, plastics and some software [1]. Where would you get all of your things if we did that?

[1] https://www.uschina.org/reports/us-exports/national

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Post by mensetmanusman »

greatgirl wrote: post #16
echelon wrote: post #3

If we care at all about our future and the generations to come, we must oppose China at all costs. They extinguish dissent. Not just locally, but abroad. They censor our domestic companies that want a foothold in their market (Disney, Blizzard, the NBA, Apple). We need to stop taking their money, and we need to move manufacturing to Vietnam, India, Mexico, and Africa. Strategic manufacturing (medical and tech) needs…

I am not from the US or from China. I sincerely feel like your opinion is born of propaganda, but not only that, your call to action is itself propaganda.

A call to any action is propaganda.

OP is calling to resist China’s rise unless they become the world’s leading power while also simultaneously being an opponent of free expression.

Many in the world do not support free expression, they have their propaganda.

Some in the world support free expression, they have their propaganda.

The likely equilibria of human behavior is the former, due to human tendency for wanting to control ones neighbor’s behavior.

Liberal democracy on the 10,000 year arc of history is more than likely a blip that disappears.

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Post by Glide »

rasengan wrote: post #6
echelon wrote: post #3

If we care at all about our future and the generations to come, we must oppose China at all costs. They extinguish dissent. Not just locally, but abroad. They censor our domestic companies that want a foothold in their market (Disney, Blizzard, the NBA, Apple). We need to stop taking their money, and we need to move manufacturing to Vietnam, India, Mexico, and Africa. Strategic manufacturing (medical and tech) needs…

To be clear, China isn’t censoring these companies - the traitors running the companies are censoring them on behalf of China.

We have met the enemy and it is us.

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Post by Grimm1 »

anovikov wrote: post #10
echelon wrote: post #3

If we care at all about our future and the generations to come, we must oppose China at all costs. They extinguish dissent. Not just locally, but abroad. They censor our domestic companies that want a foothold in their market (Disney, Blizzard, the NBA, Apple). We need to stop taking their money, and we need to move manufacturing to Vietnam, India, Mexico, and Africa. Strategic manufacturing (medical and tech) needs…

Thing is, U.S. and all of the civilised world does not have enough resources for a cold war with China. It will be simply defeated the way Soviet Union was defeated - just run out of money and overall steam. It's time to adapt to Chinese leadership and extract benefits of democracy and freedom which they don't have. Too late to keep trying to oppose it. Example: Chinese military shipbuilding delivers more tonnage per…

Yuck.

Re: Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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Post by eloisius »

orange_tee wrote: post #22
mantap wrote: post #13

The west needs to sanction China. This is violation of China's treaty obligations, it's not just a domestic issue, it's an international law issue, and it should have international consequences.

China is strong and the UK is weak. The treaty is not valid anymore. Only an idiot would say otherwise.

The terms of the treaty state anything about the relative strength of each nation?
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