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Sci-Hub Founder Criticizes Sudden Twitter Ban over “Counterfeit” Content

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Re: Sci-Hub Founder Criticizes Sudden Twitter Ban over “Counterfeit” Content

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Post by breck »

hagibborim wrote: post #14

I donated ~$300 to SciHub and encourage you all to donate as well. Please give what you can, her bitcoin address can be found at the bottom of the homepage. https://sci-hub.do/

Also please post somewhere your support of her with your real name, and reach out with kind words. Every PhD I know relies on this site, but more importantly 10x+ more people I know who are otherwise "outside" academia rely on this site. How many of the world's best researchers in 30 years will have turned out to get their start in research not thanks to Academia but thanks to SciHub? My guess is most of them.

And make no mistake, people are trying to have her killed.

"Elbakyan may be working with Russian military intelligence. The story says she may have been stealing US military secrets from defense contractors"

I just copy/pasted this horseshit from Elsevier’s website right now.

Let's provide her with the support and strength to win this war.

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Post by jjbinx007 »

MikusR wrote: post #16

Isn't Twitter a private organization that can ban anyone they want?

Yes.

What a shame there aren't more decentralised services like email, the web and Usenet (which is now pretty much dead).

Twitter can do pretty much what it wants to who it wants, and they don't have to give a reason.

Maybe you get banned due to an algorithm mistake. Or an individual contracted by Twitter who doesn't like what you said. Or maybe they misunderstand what you said due to cultural differences.

I found my time on Twitter was fighting against a US-biased culture, and what I consider friendly banter with friends can be misconstrued as abuse by some random moderator or algorithm.

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Post by kleer001 »

xnyan wrote: post #4

Rights holders have been trying to get rid of sites like the pirate bay for more than a decade, and if anything PB is easier to find and more reliable to use than ever before. If they really want change, it's time for them to dispassionately consider their situation. The way to "beat" piracy is to consider it as a competitor, which it is. When I was a kid, everyone downloaded raw mp3s and now that number is a fractio…

> The way to "beat" piracy is to consider it as a competitor...

I hope it's not too tangential, but I think of economics and politics the same way:

XYZ-ism is good you say? ABC-ism is bad? Sure, grow your XYZ-ism naturally, go for the bootstraps. If it's more awesome it should be more efficient and productive, people should choose it naturally, happily, and calmly in their own best interest without coercion or propaganda. But, of course, that never happens.

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Post by illustriousbear »

Hackernews comments were generally onboard with Twitter banning Trump for controversial tweets that can be considered as incitement.

As much as I like Sci-Hub, it is clearly a service that disregards and breaches copyright.

If you advocate for Twitter exercising a heavy hand on greyer areas (Trump), you shouldn’t be surprised when they do the same for clear breaches of their TOS/Laws (SciHub).

It scares me that these big tech companies are becoming arbitrators for what many people see. The worst part is that it is allowing the US oligarchy to further influence the rest of the world too.

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Post by dcomp »

jszymborski wrote: post #8
xnyan wrote: post #4

Rights holders have been trying to get rid of sites like the pirate bay for more than a decade, and if anything PB is easier to find and more reliable to use than ever before. If they really want change, it's time for them to dispassionately consider their situation. The way to "beat" piracy is to consider it as a competitor, which it is. When I was a kid, everyone downloaded raw mp3s and now that number is a fractio…

This case is unlike movie or music distribution in there has been convenient online distribution of papers since arguably the dawn of the internet (ok, maybe "convenient" came later). The difference is, the journal publisher groups realised they can continue charging extortionary prices and get rid of the competition of "free" paper websites by suing everything that moved. Academics, generally getting slightly-less-t…

Also when I was in academia (masters). If my university didn't subscribe to a journal (and it wasn't available via an inter-library loan (In the UK you can ask for a journal from another university)). I would just shoot an email to the author asking for a copy

Edit: Actually I usually sent emails even when we did have a hard copy but no online access. Just because I couldn't be bothered to find the physical copy

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Post by Chris2048 »

joelthelion wrote: post #7

At some point we need to stop the hypocrisy, recognize that SciHub is too valuable to the community to be shut down, and fix laws so that it becomes either legal or useless. That's no easy task, but it's much better than having scientists from all over the world rely on it while simultaneously pretending they are dangerous criminals.

SciHub doesn't have value so much as Elsevier has "anti-value". Scihub is a space without the negative effect of Elsevier gatekeeping, thus seeming to have a net positive effect.

Instead of doing anything at all with SciHub, we should instead fight Elsevier. First blow should be on the basis that Elsevier is anti-competitive, by the logic that if wasn't there would be no reason for it to succeed at all.

Second blow should be a that any partially federal funded work would be required to be publicly available, or at least not derive any profit from discouraging public access.

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Post by hagibborim »

breck wrote: post #21
hagibborim wrote: post #14

I donated ~$300 to SciHub and encourage you all to donate as well. Please give what you can, her bitcoin address can be found at the bottom of the homepage. https://sci-hub.do/

Also please post somewhere your support of her with your real name, and reach out with kind words. Every PhD I know relies on this site, but more importantly 10x+ more people I know who are otherwise "outside" academia rely on this site. How many of the world's best researchers in 30 years will have turned out to get their start in research not thanks to Academia but thanks to SciHub? My guess is most of them. And ma…

Very good point, and I didn't know that bit of slander against her.

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Post by mariuolo »

breck wrote: post #21
hagibborim wrote: post #14

I donated ~$300 to SciHub and encourage you all to donate as well. Please give what you can, her bitcoin address can be found at the bottom of the homepage. https://sci-hub.do/

Also please post somewhere your support of her with your real name, and reach out with kind words. Every PhD I know relies on this site, but more importantly 10x+ more people I know who are otherwise "outside" academia rely on this site. How many of the world's best researchers in 30 years will have turned out to get their start in research not thanks to Academia but thanks to SciHub? My guess is most of them. And ma…

> "Elbakyan may be working with Russian military intelligence. The story says she may have been stealing US military secrets from defense contractors"

And how is sci-hub connected to that?

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