Voat Is Shutting Down • Hacker News Board

Re: Voat Is Shutting Down

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Post by gruez » Tue, Dec 22, 2020, 1:09 AM UTC

technion wrote: post #8

Whilst the content on voat kept me from using it, I clicked this link and couldn't help noticing how quickly it loaded. How much content was on the screen. How many comments I could read before hitting "load more", which simply loaded more rather than sending me to a different page. For a site with funding issues and limited Devs, voats usability should be a huge embarassment to the Reddit it based itself on.

Is this comparing to the new reddit interface, or the old one? The old one is just as fast, although the page size might be slightly smaller.

Re: Voat Is Shutting Down

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Post by stavros » Tue, Dec 22, 2020, 1:11 AM UTC

herbstein wrote: post #10

superkuh wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were corners of it that were decent in terms of content and tone. Particularly v/justgrowit which was about gardening. But yeah, for every polite person in some isolated corner there were 50 screaming about politics on the front page. But that wasn't the problem with Voat. The problem with Voat was the terrible code making the site non-functional. You literally couldn't submit a URL which had a tilda in it. A t…

> But yeah, for every polite person in some isolated corner there were 50 screaming about politics on the front page. The problem with Voat wasn't that some people were "talking politics" on the front page. The problem was that the vast majority where anti-semites, racists, and otherwise horrible. That's beyond "talking politics" in any decent sense of the phrase.

I visited once out of curiosity, and was just shocked to see how overtly racist people were. It wasn't just "immigrants should stay in their countries" (which I was expecting), it was full on "I don't see why I shouldn't be able to kill me a n*gger if I feel like it" speech (censorship mine). Truly disgusting.

Re: Voat Is Shutting Down

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Post by honkycat » Tue, Dec 22, 2020, 1:13 AM UTC

Thorentis wrote: post #5

ignoranceprior wrote: post #4

Voat was founded as a neutral free-speech platform. After alt-right extremists were booted off reddit, they found a new home there. The site was bombarded by /pol/ chan culture, and after that nobody else of other political persuasions really wanted to join. Kind of like that "paradox of intolerance" meme. Free speech platforms usually end up becoming extremist platforms. I remember going on voat a couple years ago a…

As opposed to Reddit where every subreddit aside from those dedicated to alt-right topics has a left-leaning tinge. Every platform has biases. It's just that Reddit chose to ban a specific group, so it's logical that group alone would dominate alternatives.

I don't see this. There is right-wing content hitting front-page reddit constantly, and a lot of the most popular sub-reddits like "change my view" are just soap-boxes for right-wing talking points.

Re: Voat Is Shutting Down

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Post by gruez » Tue, Dec 22, 2020, 1:18 AM UTC

honkycat wrote: post #23

Thorentis wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As opposed to Reddit where every subreddit aside from those dedicated to alt-right topics has a left-leaning tinge. Every platform has biases. It's just that Reddit chose to ban a specific group, so it's logical that group alone would dominate alternatives.

I don't see this. There is right-wing content hitting front-page reddit constantly, and a lot of the most popular sub-reddits like "change my view" are just soap-boxes for right-wing talking points.

>I don't see this. There is right-wing content hitting front-page reddit constantly

front page as in "/r/all", or your front page? At least on /r/all there isn't much "right wing content", aside from some posts from /r/greentext and /r/PoliticalCompassMemes.

Re: Voat Is Shutting Down

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Post by honkycat » Tue, Dec 22, 2020, 1:27 AM UTC

gruez wrote: post #24

honkycat wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see this. There is right-wing content hitting front-page reddit constantly, and a lot of the most popular sub-reddits like "change my view" are just soap-boxes for right-wing talking points.

>I don't see this. There is right-wing content hitting front-page reddit constantly front page as in "/r/all", or your front page? At least on /r/all there isn't much "right wing content", aside from some posts from /r/greentext and /r/PoliticalCompassMemes.

I don't have an account. Your claims of a left-wing bias on reddit are also anecdotal.

Re: Voat Is Shutting Down

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Post by devteambravo » Tue, Dec 22, 2020, 1:30 AM UTC

What a cesspool. There's so much racism, just in this post's comments... Good riddance!

Re: Voat Is Shutting Down

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Post by Sebguer » Tue, Dec 22, 2020, 1:30 AM UTC

technion wrote: post #8

Whilst the content on voat kept me from using it, I clicked this link and couldn't help noticing how quickly it loaded. How much content was on the screen. How many comments I could read before hitting "load more", which simply loaded more rather than sending me to a different page. For a site with funding issues and limited Devs, voats usability should be a huge embarassment to the Reddit it based itself on.

This is a pretty weird assertion - Voat doesn't have to worry about literally any of the scale problems Reddit does.

Re: Voat Is Shutting Down

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Post by 29083011397778 » Tue, Dec 22, 2020, 1:31 AM UTC

236dev wrote: post #19

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #2

How much was he/she paying a month to keep it up? Why not ask for donations/people to subscribe? I mean, I don't personally use and I don't know anybody who does but...

I think they would be kicked off whatever fund raising platform they use pretty quickly.

At which point wouldn't they switch to BTC? Agree or disagree with who Voat is and what they say, but I can only assume at least one coin exchange would be willing to do business with them.

Re: Voat Is Shutting Down

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Post by jpxw » Tue, Dec 22, 2020, 1:32 AM UTC

3 comments in and I see a racial slur. 8 comments and I see “Hitler was right”. Both comments massively upvoted.

The optics on Voat are not the best, are they...

Re: Voat Is Shutting Down

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Post by AntiImperialis2 » Tue, Dec 22, 2020, 1:38 AM UTC

santoshalper wrote: post #11

Thorentis wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As opposed to Reddit where every subreddit aside from those dedicated to alt-right topics has a left-leaning tinge. Every platform has biases. It's just that Reddit chose to ban a specific group, so it's logical that group alone would dominate alternatives.

Society has a left-leaning tinge. Especially society in the age range that reddit caters to. There's no grand conspiracy. Right politics are wildly unpopular with young to middle-age people.

That's true. Younger people seem to lean left. As they grow older, a lot of them start to lean conservative.

My hypothesis is that when they are young and underdeveloped, they have incomplete understanding of the world, are prone to believing in unrealistic utopian ideas, and hence are easy to manipulate. No wonder, the leftists want the voting age to be lowered even further.

As they grow older and wiser, they see it for what it is.

The younger conservatives are explained by the fact that some kids who grow up in conservative households don't fall for the same manipulation and older liberals are explained by the fact that some people are more reluctant to change, mostly because they weave their personalities around their identities in early adulthood. Some is of course explained by influence of peers (i.e. people adopt a political view to fit in) and hence location... but I think this covers it all.

I know I will get downvoted for this which is fine but I'd like to know your hypothesis for the same population leaning conservative as they age is... if it's not too much trouble.